Ashley wrote: sometimes the poor old school gets ALL the blame for bullying incidents there. I think one shouldn't totally lose sight of the culpability of the bully - and possibly their parent too.
Thanks Ashley, you're a voice of reason. As for the panelist, there is no way on this earth any reasonable person could claim he was condoning bullying. He was countering Sylvs claim that in NOT teaching HER creationist viewpoints there was a remote possibility that SCHOOLS would be responsible for bullying by pointing out the role parents play.
marcsurtees wrote: It is always the fault of the school if a child is bullied in school.
Schools don't actually make the bullies, nor do WE make the bullies targets for them. We try and correct it and deal with it and point out it is always unacceptable. But to be honest marc parents do need to take more responisibility, they're the ones sending the bullies in. And you have twisted all thats been said to imply that I condone bullying which I'm not particularly happy about. I'm on the verge of saying exactly what I think of your methods and scruples but suspect I'd be banned from the forum for life.
Ashley wrote: thought Sylvia Baker might have been trying to hog as much time in the debate on Sunday as possible - by saying that she had a 'story' to tell and then just waffling and also speaking rather slowly and actually saying not very much at all. A ploy - merely to allow 'evolutionists' LESS air time, perhaps? Fortunately, Nicky Campbell eventually lost patience with her.
I thought that at the time as well. I also thought she was trying to derail the debate by bringing up the spurious issue of bullying and aiming for the sympathy vote. Having seen the way creationists operate, including sylvia baker, I'm not sure how much I believe her claim that she was bullied any mnre. Marc has already said on the other thread that anyone that accepts evolution bullies those that disagree with them. Having seen one of my own kids bullied I'd like to point out to Marc that theres a world of difference between disagreeing with somebody and bullying them. Sylvia Baker is a creationist and all creationists do seem to have, as Roger has said, a martyrdom complex and an inability to tell the truth.
Peter wrote: The teacher would need to be pretty savy with both YECism and ID though.
I think we're far too naive to be that savvy. It's taken me till now to fully understand how truly warped and twisted the creationist mindset is. I think it's far better to just up the amount and status of evolution in the curriculum and give teachers some training on how to deal with it in kids when it arises. They could do with some training in how the creationists operate as well. Most are already sympathetic to the fact it isn't the childs fault.