Steiner schools and anthroposophy

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Re: Steiner schools and anthroposophy

Postby cathy » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:39 pm

Its a BTEC in learning for life skills apparently. The full content of the curriculum should be publicly available from someone. They do apparently learn about biodynamic farming - which is somewhat outside my sphere of learning.
The learning for life skills is this very vague thing. Which would seem to offer a lot of leeway
www.edexcel.com/quals/skills/learning-f ... fault.aspx

It looks like a fairly vague course.

Steiner is very vogue with Gove el al, therefore anything to pin on them would be useful

That will make things very difficult, you'll need a lot. Once Gove thinks something is good it'll be difficult to shift. He may not be stupid enough to buy creationism but that doesn't mean he isn't stupid. Free schools for example are the stupidest idea anyone could come up with. Steiner and creationists and any other stupid idea were the inevitable result.

It should be the other way round, pinning Steiner on Gove. Is their no end to that man's determination to give our children's education awa
No there is no end. Listen to any teacher on academies or free schools. Utterly stupid ideas and an attempt to get rid of state education. What he's doing now will be financially impossible to reverse.

Laura (who is not fond of any weird extremist educational establishments of any kind and really prefers a good local bog-standard school for all if the truth be known.)
Yep. The same thing that virtually every survey of what parents want shows. Not free schools or weird ideas but good ordinary local schools!! No money for those any more tho, its all earmarked for any old nutter that wants to open a free school.
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Re: Steiner schools and anthroposophy

Postby Michael » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:55 pm

I am not sure that they couldn't be reversed financially. You only need to put a preferential financial gain in being under the LEA. After all if budgets are cut something has to go, whether teachers' salaries or other things

I spent 2 hours looking at a school budget today for a tiny school and if various safeguards were removed - eg minimum budget the school would fold or as I said jokingly to the head we could half his salary. A year by year reduction in budget of even a few per cent would close any school or at least get most teachers to leave.
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Re: Steiner schools and anthroposophy

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:13 pm

Michael wrote: A year by year reduction in budget of even a few per cent would close any school or at least get most teachers to leave.
Provided there are other schools to go to, a year by year reduction in the number of pupils could get some of the loonier schools to fold. Most of them will need "ordinary" children to fill their rolls and hopefully their parents would soon twig what was going on and pull them out. If they've not been able to take advantage of a shortage of places locally. Also most of them will be starting with a single-year intake - they may get a nasty shock in the second year.
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Re: Steiner schools and anthroposophy

Postby jon_12091 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:34 am

cathy wrote:
Its a BTEC in learning for life skills apparently. The full content of the curriculum should be publicly available from someone. They do apparently learn about biodynamic farming - which is somewhat outside my sphere of learning.
The learning for life skills is this very vague thing. Which would seem to offer a lot of leeway
http://www.edexcel.com/quals/skills/lea ... fault.aspx

It looks like a fairly vague course.


Yeah, its also a course name, and variations on it, that I associate with 'special needs' in a fairly broad sense. Though course is this clearly a step up from teaching people, who may find independence a bit of a struggle to boil eggs etc.

Planting by the phases of the moon sounds a bit woo, though could actually be sound, but not for the reasons its proponents think. I would also suspect that the Camphill-movement may eschue the sympathetic magic-side of biodynamic farming...

BTW people do still use diviners for finding water pipes!
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Re: Steiner schools and anthroposophy

Postby cathy » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:31 am

You only need to put a preferential financial gain in being under the LEA. After all if budgets are cut something has to go, whether teachers' salaries or other things

LEAs? You think they'll survive till 2015? It only takes a third of schools to convert to academy to make LEAs financially unviable. They are losins staff they can't last! And schools that don't convert will go under financially and a lot that held out last time the tories tried to get rid of LEAs ended up losing teachers.

Blair might have reversed that trend and brought all schools back under the LEA in 1997 but this time Gove has built in seven year legal contracts so seven years notice is required on either side for schools to un convert. My second childs school hasn't converted and has lost at least £250,000, we did convert and have also lost substantially but not as much as we would have done.

Smaller courses won't run any more at either school, like gcse drama or A level RE and possibley A level physics. And we're feeling the consequences now, we have no HR facillity and will have to buy it in, no help with SEN, having to search now for technical services and PAT testing (the LEA are charging more to academies for those services cos they've lost economies of scale). We no longer have a health and safety comittee which should be fun.

So there will be a real reduction in choice within existing schools and no real choice outside unless you are ok with submitting your child to some kind of weird experimental notion dreamed up somewhere.

Provided there are other schools to go to, a year by year reduction in the number of pupils could get some of the loonier schools to fold.
Provided other schools survive financially! Gove is starving them of funds. But free schools are being fully funded. Including money for new builds - if ECC had been approved it would be building a brand new school - how much do you think they cost in these financially strapped times, including land.

Most of them will need "ordinary" children to fill their rolls and hopefully their parents would soon twig what was going on and pull them out.
Yes but that requires choice of somewhere else to go. If there is a shortage of places freee schools fill the gap. If the other schools are full there is nowhere but the free school. Parents are free to pay for a Steiner nutty education if they want, but eventually for some it'll be the only place for their child no matter how much they want a real education.

Also most of them will be starting with a single-year intake - they may get a nasty shock in the second year.
He said, hopefully.
They are untried and untested and a substantial number are being proposed be people with agendas or weird ideas like Steiner or creationists. They are costing a fortune but they are Goves little baby so I doubt he'll let them fail. A lot seem to be applying for small class sizes. That is expensive and suggests they'll have to get more help or go under. To save money we're increasing class sizes. We'll be cramming 20 kids into an A level lab that only seats 15 and currently holds 18 next year.

Already the only free schools that seem to be filling or even oversubscribed are the ones that are closest to normal schools - like Toby Youngs. The more off the wall ones like Maharishis schools seem to be struggling to reach their numbers. Suggesting that what parents actually want is what every single survey shows - good normal local schools to learn normal science, history, maths english art etc. Not religious or ideological places. Only a weird minority has ever expressed any interest in free schools. And thats the sort of minority that opens things like CST or Steiner schools.

People moan about falling standards and Govt interference in education, and some things like specialisms were stupid, but we've had 13 years where education generally has improved dramatically for a lot of kids. My kids are far better educated than I ever was. And Gove is dismantling it all very quickly. Schools really are struggling and the whole free school idea is just insane. It is a charter for lunatics as we've already seen. And a very expensive one. And academies will eventually follow.
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Re: Steiner schools and anthroposophy

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu May 24, 2012 8:26 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2 ... ools-wrong

"A lot of public concern has been expressed over the potential establishment of creationist free schools. This concern resulted in the government changing the rules for free schools to prevent them from teaching pseudoscience ("Richard Dawkins celebrates a victory over creationists").
However, not enough attention has been paid to two equally grave threats to science education, namely Maharishi and Steiner schools. Maharishi schools follow the educational methods of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, guru of the transcendental meditation movement, while Steiner education is based on an esoteric/occultist movement called anthroposophy, founded by Austrian mystic Rudolf Steiner ("Holistic unit will 'tarnish' Aberdeen University reputation"). The Maharishi school has as its specialist subject the "science of creative intelligence", which is not based on science. It also teaches a system of herbal medicine, most of which lacks evidence of efficacy and safety. Anthroposophy is centred on beliefs in karma, reincarnation and advancing children's connection to the spirit world.
The first Steiner academy opened in 2008, with a free school to open this September. The first Maharishi school opened last September. Both groups have interviews to open more schools in 2013. We believe that the new rules on teaching pseudoscience mean that no more of these schools should open.
Pavan Dhaliwal head of public affairs, British Humanist Association; Edzard Ernst professor of complementary medicine, Exeter University; David Colquhoun professor of pharmacology, University College London and blogger, dcscience.net; Simon Singh science writer; Andy Lewis Quackometer.net; Alan Henness zenosblog.com; Melanie Byng; Richard Byng medical academic; James Gray; Mark Hayes; David Simpson"
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Re: Steiner schools and anthroposophy

Postby cathy » Fri May 25, 2012 8:42 am

A lot of public concern has been expressed over the potential establishment of creationist free schools. This concern resulted in the government changing the rules for free schools to prevent them from teaching pseudoscience ("Richard Dawkins celebrates a victory over creationists").
However, not enough attention has been paid to two equally grave threats to science education, namely Maharishi and Steiner schools. Maharishi schools follow the educational methods of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, guru of the transcendental meditation movement, while Steiner education is based on an esoteric/occultist movement called anthroposophy, founded by Austrian mystic Rudolf Steiner ("Holistic unit will 'tarnish' Aberdeen University reputation"). The Maharishi school has as its specialist subject the "science of creative intelligence", which is not based on science. It also teaches a system of herbal medicine, most of which lacks evidence of efficacy and safety. Anthroposophy is centred on beliefs in karma, reincarnation and advancing children's connection to the spirit world.
What exactly did Gove expect when he introduced free school policy? Who in their right minds wants to run a school? A small number of middle class parents in areas with poor schools introducing their ideas of 1950s grammar schools (which may or may not be like 1950s grammar schools as I wasn't around to check - and neither were they) with latin and classic literature. Or a few parents getting cash to keep open small village schools to ensure their kids don't mix with the masses thats who. The rest were always going to be the nutters of the world with looney agendas The creationists and steiners and meditators and natural childbirth obsessives.

I suppose the only bright point is knowing that Gove will pay when he goes for his hip replacement in 30 years time and finds himself being treated with hot poultices of muesli, lentils and organic toad spleens whilst eating apricot kernals under a full moon.

Or alternatively being told it is his own fault for being born a worthless sinner and being descended from a evil apple thief. resulting in someone reading a few psalms over him whilst he;s refused pain relief cos pain is gods way of telling us what evil B's we are. As clearly interpreted by creationists the world over from the fact Jesus once said something that could have been an anagram of the words genetic deterioration!. And the hospitals will be heated by the flames of burning scientists who will just keep discovering heretical ideas like evolution.

As you can tell I'm not impressed with Goves ability to think his way out of very flimsy, tissue paper bags.
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Re: Steiner schools and anthroposophy

Postby Brian Jordan » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:09 pm

Information Blackout on new Steiner Academy

It has been reported in the Hereford Times that:

HEREFORDSHIRE Council has taken to blacking out whole pages of representations put to licensing reports previously available for public view.

A new premises application by the Steiner Academy at Much Dewchurch represents the most extreme example yet of the redaction imposed on licensing reports over recent months.

Previously, redaction has largely been limited to personal details. But in the case of the Steiner application whole or near-whole pages of public representations were redacted, leaving only single sentences – if anything at all.

The council has said it redacted the representations because – if it did not – it “would be possible to challenge the decision made by councillors on the grounds that they had taken into account issues other than those relating to licensing”.
http://www.humanistlife.org.uk/2012/10/information-blackout-on-new-steiner-academy/
Brass monkeys on the council, evidently!
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