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Postby Roger Stanyard » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:23 am

I'm getting a load of stick in my privare email from Jack Lewis (who is he?)

Does anyone want he in this group so we can "discuss" creationism with him.

Roger

He is his latest email to me:

Dear Roger,

Thank you for that telling reply. I knew that you couldn't or wouldn't be able to answer such a simple question. If you believe that there was no creator then how would you respond to a student who asks this very same question? You complained bitterly that creationists were sending material that was critical of evolution to schools, and yet your response to a simple rational question is 'I don't know and 'don't care'.

My son when he was about 13 years old posed the question to a fellow student who was trying to explain the 'Big Bang' to the rest of his class, "Is what you are saying, that once there was nothing and then it exploded?" This caused much mirth in the class and his teacher commended him for a very interesting observation.

Would you give me an example of:
1 How I have twisted your words and I will appologise.
2 What kind of lies are put out by 'Truth in Science'. If they are lies I will be the first to complain. Please look upon me as an ally in this respect. Truth is very important to me.

Yours sincerely



Jack Lewis

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Re: Jack Lewis

Postby Anonymous » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:28 am

Roger, invite him in. His e-mail is full of misconceptions. If he is as interested in reality as he says he is, we will soon find out.
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Postby Ian Lowe » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:46 am

Invite him in - worth pointing out that we have a variety of discussion areas, and he can take his pick on what terms he wants to talk - whether that's the hard science, on a scriptural basis, or just mano-a-mano ;)

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Postby Brian Jordan » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:24 am

Roger Stanyard wrote:
My son when he was about 13 years old posed the question to a fellow student who was trying to explain the 'Big Bang' to the rest of his class, "Is what you are saying, that once there was nothing and then it exploded?" This caused much mirth in the class and his teacher commended him for a very interesting observation.

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Fair enough question for a 13yo who hadn't been very well taught. But for teachers it's just the "god of the gaps" fallacy.

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Postby Roger Stanyard » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:42 am

How about inviting Nick Cowan and Josh into the forum?


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Ian Lowe wrote:Invite him in - worth pointing out that we have a variety of discussion areas, and he can take his pick on what terms he wants to talk - whether that's the hard science, on a scriptural basis, or just mano-a-mano ;)

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Postby Anonymous » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:43 am

Roger Stanyard wrote:How about inviting Nick Cowan and Josh into the forum?


Bring them on in!
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Jack Lewis

Postby Ian Lowe » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:07 pm

I have asked Michael Roberts to consider rejoining. Thought it might be more
punchy coming from me...
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Pity the Creationists

Postby Yargo » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:49 pm

Given the record of Nick Cowan's past efforts, is there a forewarning message given to new members (esp if known beforehand that their pitch will be contra). I'm not sure he needs another platform for his 'confusion-of-children-as-virtue' attitude. How tightly moderated are the specific topic areas; ie would ANY preaching in "Science" be stamped on without mercy?

It's ok for curiosity maybe - I know the automatic deletion of such posts from my inbox can be undertaken without a single idea of value being eliminated in the process!

We expressed serious concern over the future capabilities of a group of children; he laughed. We pointed out that such a reaction is incompatible with his position; he gloated over the reaction. So yes, bring him as a testament to creationist delusional achievements and for the benefit of the slumbering audience of scientists, politicians and clergy.....!

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Re: Jack Lewis

Postby Michael » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:36 pm

Ian Lowe wrote:I have asked Michael Roberts to consider rejoining. Thought it might be more
punchy coming from me...


I thought I might convert some atheists :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Roger Stanyard » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:41 pm

mikeybrass wrote:
Roger Stanyard wrote:How about inviting Nick Cowan and Josh into the forum?


Bring them on in!


Just been done!

Now all we have to do is invite Marc Draco back in.
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Re: Jack Lewis

Postby Roger Stanyard » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:06 pm

[quote="Roger Stanyard"]I'm getting a load of stick in my privare email from Jack Lewis (who is he?)

Does anyone want he in this group so we can "discuss" creationism with him.

Roger

He is his latest email to me:

Dear Roger,

Thank you for that telling reply. I knew that you couldn't or wouldn't be able to answer such a simple question.

This is the latest I have in my inbox from Jack Lewis:

Dear Roger,

You started this by writing a very public letter to the Times. I have merely responded and I discover that you have no constructive complaint against creationists other than to call them names. You have accused me of telling lies. What lies? I am not in the habit of lying so if you think I have I would appreciate you telling me. I will take u[p your offer and join the BCSE forum and see if I can get anywhere with them. If, as I notice on there web site, they are going to resort to juvenile name calling then I shall leave it.

Thank you for your time.

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Postby Timothy Chase » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:15 pm

On 09/10/06, Michael <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
Ian Lowe wrote:
I have asked Michael Roberts to consider rejoining. Thought it might be more
punchy coming from me...

I had seen that there was a Michael from Lancaster who had just. I
was hoping that it was you. It will help - we all know how some
Fundies fancy themselves experts on scripture. Not exactly my forte'.

I thought I might convert some atheists

I like to think that I am always open to seeing things from different
perspectives...

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Jack Lewis

Postby Timothy Chase » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:19 pm

On 09/10/06, Roger Stanyard <roger@dttconsulting.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
mikeybrass wrote:

Roger Stanyard wrote:
How about inviting Nick Cowan and Josh into the forum?

Bring them on in!

Just been done!

Now all we have to do is invite Marc Draco back in.

I was hoping we would get around to that, sooner rather than later.
Undoubtedly, though, there will be some message boards he will enjoy
more than others.

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Re: Jack Lewis

Postby Michael » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:25 pm

Timothy Chase wrote:On 09/10/06, Michael <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
Ian Lowe wrote:
I have asked Michael Roberts to consider rejoining. Thought it might be more
punchy coming from me...

I had seen that there was a Michael from Lancaster who had just. I
was hoping that it was you. It will help - we all know how some
Fundies fancy themselves experts on scripture. Not exactly my forte'.

I thought I might convert some atheists

I like to think that I am always open to seeing things from different
perspectives...

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Some fundis are expert on Scripture and some have considerable theological qualifications. So one cant assume they are thick!

There needs be both tolerance and humour.

One of the most important things is always to be accurate in one's descriptions of others and not parrot popular views

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Pity the Creationists [Edited]

Postby Timothy Chase » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:50 pm

On 09/10/06, Yargo <rmkyargo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
This is an edited version of a previous post
Given the record of Nick Cowan's past efforts, is there a forewarning
message given to new members (esp if known beforehand that their pitch will
be contra). I'm not sure he needs another platform for his
'confusion-of-children-as-virtue' attitude. How tightly
moderated are the specific topic areas; ie would ANY preaching in "Science"
be stamped on without mercy?

After one off-topic post, I would firmly ask the individual to move it
to the appropriate forum. If there are two or more off-topic posts
and a brawl is beginning to develop, I would firmly ask that it be
moved to the FreeForAll or something similar. If things persist,
suspension from the science section for a certain period of time may
be warranted. If possible, we might move posts to the appropriate
section when off topic. And of course I assume that deletion is a
live option - particularly when it should have been obvious that the
post was made on the wrong message board.

It's ok for curiosity maybe - I know the automatic deletion of such posts
from my inbox can be undertaken without a single idea of value being
eliminated in the process!

...

I typically don't get offended - as this tends to get in the way of
one's clarity of thought and makes it much more difficult to make
connections. Not all that helpful under any circumstances, but even
less so in a debate - unless there is a specific goal one has in mind
when one gets "offended," and one is well aware of the likely effects.
But even then it is probably inadvisable.

However, beyond a certain point, off-topic posts are like static
getting in the way of the communication of useful information - and
long before this, I have certainly seen how flame-wars can develop
quite rapidly among otherwise well-meaning and highly intelligent
individuals. On numerous occasions.

I would recommend strict enforcement.

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