Anders Breivik is a fundamentalist

[Brian Jordan]

I reckon he's just a nutter. Anything else is just accumulated excuses for his imagined grievances.

[a_haworthroberts]

I'm not very much the wiser after viewing this page: http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/foru ... ent1003171

PS And there's this page: http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/main ... ?q=breivik

[jon_12091]

All I get from Ploughboy's contribution to the debate is the smell of a belief in 'total depravity' and possibly a whiff of 'hyper-calvinism'.

The timing of this article seems a little coincidental -
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... ible-peace

[Peter Henderson]

All I get from Ploughboy's contribution to the debate is the smell of a belief in 'total depravity' and possibly a whiff of 'hyper-calvinism'.

The timing of this article seems a little coincidental -
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... ible-peace

Indeed Jon,

I've tackled him more than once on his beliefs about babies that die, the still born, aborted fetuses, or people like my son who have very severe learning delays (10 and absolutely no speach at all yet). Seems that humans who fall into these catagories recieve the same condemnation as the vilest of serial killers. That's not what I was told in evangelical circles, and I know of no churches that teach things like this, except for the very extreme (I wonder what Marc thinks on this subject ?)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-nor ... d-13390951

http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?S ... EFORMED%29

Sadly, ploughboy's views are not uncommon in denominations such as those above, or the reformed Presbyterian churches. Enough to make anyone convert to Atheism.

Strangely AiG are very silent on Friday's events. I wonder why ? No guns pointing in your face this time.

[Roger Stanyard]

All I get from Ploughboy's contribution to the debate is the smell of a belief in 'total depravity' and possibly a whiff of 'hyper-calvinism'.

The timing of this article seems a little coincidental -
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... ible-peace

Indeed Jon,

I've tackled him more than once on his beliefs about babies that die, the still born, aborted fetuses, or people like my son who have very severe learning delays (10 and absolutely no speach at all yet). Seems that humans who fall into these catagories recieve the same condemnation as the vilest of serial killers. That's not what I was told in evangelical circles, and I know of no churches that teach things like this, except for the very extreme (I wonder what Marc thinks on this subject ?)

We come across Ploughboy's type of hyper-Calvinism before, Peter. Our wonderful pal David Anderson. Nasty pieces of work who think everyone else is just as nasty as well. If you think everyone else is a nasty piece of work, that's exactly how you end up. Sadly, in the USA, such hyper Calvinism appears to be a strong element in the death cult nature of much of the fundamentalist movement. It probably is why David Anderson takes his pleasure in solitary pursuits such as running and married below his intellect.

Sees sin everywhere, even in kiddies' books by Beatrice Potter.

[Michael]

Has Anderson's wife got an IQ in single figures then?

[Roger Stanyard]

Has Anderson's wife got an IQ in single figures then?

Yer, I guess I overdid that. Still, after sporadically looking at Anderson's various blog over the last 5-6 years it seems that his only interests are his religious opinions and "getting" at those, Christian or otherwise, who don't hold them.

[a_haworthroberts]

Here we go:
http://www.facebook.com/notes/ken-ham/w ... 8847586589

Ken Ham has located some US websites that suggest that Breivik is a Darwinian. They state that "his manifesto affirms: "As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science, and it must always continue to be that way"". But they also claim "Breivik instead hails Charles Darwin, whose evolutionary theories stand in contrast to the claims of the Bible".

Whilst THIS link suggests the reports are largely factual - http://crev.info/content/110724-norway_ ... _darwinian - please note that it appears that Breivik mentioned Darwinism just four times in 1,500 pages.

Ham apparently doesn't do irony. He says at Facebook: "It is sad when just because someone says they are ‘Christian,’ they are labeled automatically as a ‘fundamentalist Christian.’ That's FUNNY, I thought Ken Ham believed that any real Christian ought to be a fundamentalist (and preferably a non-compromised YEC).

Oh, and Breivik's lawyer thinks he is insane.

Not very rational/rationalistic, certainly. Mass killing of defenceless teenagers is bound to stop any Islamization in its tracks.

[jon_12091]

So he's a nominal, big surprise, but he talks about Darwinism almost exclusively in a social sense and in terms that frankly I hear mostly issuing from the mouths of creationists..

According to strict, atheist Darwinism, the purpose of life is to reproduce

Though it clearly damns him as a Darwinist!

Apparently Melanie Phillips gets quoted in his manifesto!

[Roger Stanyard]

So he's a nominal, big surprise, but he talks about Darwinism almost exclusively in a social sense and in terms that frankly I hear mostly issuing from the mouths of creationists..

According to strict, atheist Darwinism, the purpose of life is to reproduce

Though it clearly damns him as a Darwinist!

Apparently Melanie Phillips gets quoted in his manifesto!

Breivik, Ham and Murdoch are all of the same mould. Morally corrupt unaccountable whores.

I note that Michael Gove has met seven times with senior News International staff since he entered office. What, I may ask, has education got to do with News international? What favours were asked both both sides in those meetings? Did New International blackmail Gove?

[a_haworthroberts]

Just seen: http://bcseweb.blogspot.com/

[jon_12091]

Having now had a look at some of Breivik's ramblings there is an awful lot social conservatism that many creationists would buy into - and he clearly drank deeply from the same well of far right propaganda and paranoid delusion as more than a few creationists (Eurabia can be found under Wikipedia's list of conspiracy theories, which says it all really).

I said something would turn up on FSTDT...
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=82829
And Ken's there this month as well
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=82275

[Roger Stanyard]

Having now had a look at some of Breivik's ramblings there is an awful lot social conservatism that many creationists would buy into - and he clearly drank deeply from the same well of far right propaganda and paranoid delusion as more than a few creationists (Eurabia can be found under Wikipedia's list of conspiracy theories, which says it all really).

I said something would turn up on FSTDT...
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=82829
And Ken's there this month as well
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=82275

The hard conservative political right isn't having much luck this month. Firstly, Murdoch and News Corporation have lost all credibility for ever. Rotten to the core and criminal. Secondly, Breivik advertises the conservatives as murderous and unhinged, in the worst light possible for them. You may also see, in coming days, the Teabaggers force the USA into bankruptcy in their paranoid pursuit of power. Then we all are up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

[a_haworthroberts]

The AiG website is due to report on Breivik in 'News to Note' on Saturday.

Can't wait.

[Michael]

Having now had a look at some of Breivik's ramblings there is an awful lot social conservatism that many creationists would buy into - and he clearly drank deeply from the same well of far right propaganda and paranoid delusion as more than a few creationists (Eurabia can be found under Wikipedia's list of conspiracy theories, which says it all really).

I said something would turn up on FSTDT...
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=82829
And Ken's there this month as well
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=82275

The hard conservative political right isn't having much luck this month. Firstly, Murdoch and News Corporation have lost all credibility for ever. Rotten to the core and criminal. Secondly, Breivik advertises the conservatives as murderous and unhinged, in the worst light possible for them. You may also see, in coming days, the Teabaggers force the USA into bankruptcy in their paranoid pursuit of power. Then we all are up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

Bloody socialist!