Tas Walker 20.4.12http://www.biblicalgeology.net/blog/tit ... ahs-flood/
'The Titanic illustrates Noah's Flood'
"When the Titanic collided with the iceberg, it set in train a
sequence of events that continued for more than two hours until the
ship reached a new equilibrium on the ocean bottom. This process can be
used as an illustration of the catastrophe of Noah's Flood, which
engulfed our globe.
The Flood began, according to the Bible with a breaking up of the
fountains of the great deep, and the opening of the windows of heaven
(Genesis 7:11). The Flood involved a train of events that followed a
logical sequence of cause and effect, until the earth reached a new
equilibrium. Because the earth is so much larger than the Titanic, the
catastrophe of the Flood took much longer to unfold. The Bible records
it lasted for just over 12 months. Ongoing climatic effects continued
for hundreds of years.
During Noah's Flood, vast quantities water moved over the surface of
the earth, eroding the landscape and depositing sediment in enormous
sedimentary basins. This redistribution of mass caused movement of the
earth's plates. This in turn generated huge volumes of molten magma,
the movement of which further redistributed mass on the globe -
laterally and radially. The cooling of the magma also affected the
movement of plates and ocean levels. Through the process some parts of
the earth's crust gradually sank lower and others rose, until the earth
eventually reached a new equilibrium, which we enjoy today.
Geological history is often presented as a list of disconnected
events. We read about sedimentation, erosion, mountain building,
volcanic eruptions, and ice ages, each separated from the other by tens
of millions of years. With so much time between events they seem to be
unrelated. However, by looking at geology as the unfolding of one huge
catastrophe that overtook our globe, we can begin to connect the dots."
Yes, FALLACIOUSLY join the jots - and thus COMPRESS the planet's real
history to fit with Bible genealogies. Incidentally YECs believe - from
how Psalm 104 is translated in SOME versions of the Bible - that the
depth of the oceans increased greatly post-flood, so as to accommodate
the receding waters of Noah's flood. In the New American Standard Bible
the wording is "The waters were standing above the mountains. At Your
rebuke they fled, At the sound of Your thunder they hurried away. The
mountains rose; the valleys sank down To the place which You
established for them".
But how exactly would cooling magma cause the seabed to 'plunge' down
much lower in a short space of time?
I also note that this History Denier does not appear to want to
discuss the likely history of the iceberg, nor to speculate on how the
Ark (unlike Titanic, in different circumstances) managed to remain
afloat during a catastrophic WORLDWIDE flood - a flood which YECs
insist happened around a mere 4,300 years' ago.
Walker's blog also does not account for the persistence of the
Egyptian Old Kingdom beyond this date - before its demise after 2,200
BC, which has been discovered to have been caused by prolonged severe
DROUGHT stopping seasonal Nile floods during a periodic cold outbreak
over thousands of years known as a Bond Event.
Jesus apparently believed that the mythical recent worldwide flood was
a real event. He can be excused, however!
Bodie Hodge 20.4.12http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... mr-hostile
'Feedback: Mr Hostile'
A clumsy atheist scores an own goal by failing to give examples of the
problems with YEC-ism and the strengths of evolutionary theory that he
talks about, and by resorting to insults.
From Hodges' response:
"I don't understand why atheists don't seem to be embarrassed about
fellow evolutionists like Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot who killed
millions of kids and adults, or the maniac evolutionist Anders Behring
Breivik, who recently killed all those young kids in Norway?".
"Keep in mind that the last few genocidal, malevolent tyrants have
been evolutionists like Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot".
Hitler was no atheist. The sick but probably sane Breivik is not an
"I love science and have a Master's degree in it". Mr Hodge, you are a
Christian but you are also a hypocrite. I suggest that what Mr Hodge
claimes to 'love' is believing that the Bible is an INFALLIBLE guide to
both history and science, and thus rejecting or ignoring ALL the
scientific evidence that shows that Genesis and a 6,000 year old Earth
are both wrong. Thus Mr Hodge is either deluded, or else he is lying -
because he has secretly redefined 'science' to mean 'knowledge' without
specifying the source of the claimed knowledge.
I suggest if the universe and the Earth were both just 6,000 years'
old, we would see much faster continental drift suggesting recent
supercontinent break-up; none of the varied evidence pointing to long
periods of time when sea levels were much higher or much lower than
today eg raised beaches or undersea peat; only the Milky Way galaxy
visible in space; no supernovae whatsoever; only tiny polar icecaps; a
much faster speed of light possibly; millions of fossils and lots of
igneous rock layers all over the Earth that date as approximately 4,300
years' old by radiocarbon dating and other radiometric dating methods;
and all extra-terrestrial meteorites that have been dated dating as
less than 10,000 years' old. Or rather we WOULDN'T see these things
because there would probably be no life yet (thus the Earth would not
after all contain the masses of fossilised extinct and extant creatures
that have been seen by humanity).
Poor Bodie was also 'brainwashed' in the past - by 'public education',
or so he says. Then he apparently discovered the truth. Thus he is NOT
willing to "spend a few months to IMPARTIALLY research opposing
theories" as suggested by 'Mr Hostile'.
On 15.8.11 in an article on the AiG website entitled 'A catastrophic
missing link problem'
(See http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... nk-problem
Hodge wrote: "These rock layers are real layers; it is the assignment of time
to them that is rather questionable. The majority of rock layers that
contain fossils are sedimentary rock layers from the Flood of Noah's
day about 4,350 years ago (by adding up genealogies from the Flood to
Christ, it is about 2,350 years, and Christ lived about 2,000 years
ago.). Of course, there are rock layers that have formed since the
Flood, due to local floods, volcanic eruptions, and so on. But most of
the layers in question formed in the Flood" and
"For example, Archaeopteryx and Sinosauropteryx are found in rock
layers associated with the Flood. So how old are they? They are about
4,350 years old. Dinosaurs are also found in rock layers from the
Flood, putting them around 4,350 years old too. Did one turn into the
other during the Flood? Not at all. They were fleeing from and finally
buried and fossilized in the Flood. In other words, they died at the
same time. Besides, birds (Day Five) were created before dinosaurs (Day
Six, being land animals). So birds were around prior to dinosaurs and
did not need to evolve from dinosaurs" and
"Furthermore, consider that Lucy and other australopithecines are
found in rock layers often associated with post-Flood rocks (e.g.,
volcanic layers erupted on top of Flood layers). How could such a thing
be the ancestor to humans (or a close relation to the ancestor of
humans) when humans, like Adam through Noah, already existed? As
Christians, we need to start thinking biblically. When you start with
the Bible, sensational finds of missing links are easy to refute. The
transitions don't exist because the alleged missing link fossils are
found in rock layers that were from the Flood or afterwards, which is
well after people and the animals in question already existed".
This man 'loves' science, he says. But it's very clear to me that he
wishes to undermine and if possible destroy (by non-scientific means)
ANY scientific knowledge that does not lend credence to a literal
Genesis. The diagrams in the article show the outcome resulting from
his tactics VERY clearly.
Some Bible-centred Christians hang on the very words of YEC 'expert'
Christians. These experts will apparently use any available tactic in
order to keep their 'pure' version of Christianity afloat in a