The fruit of BBC mb censorship (revised title)

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The fruit of BBC mb censorship (revised title)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:37 pm

My email number one to the BBC (last night):

"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview ... 1#lastpost
Why are my posts being 'temporarily hidden'?
Why have I been put on pre-moderation?
How long is this going to last for?
Why was the original thread - which I initially thought I had found
when I posted message 68 - closed and censored? (Hence my attempted
messages 69 and 70.)
I was not 'discussing moderation' I was seeking confirmation that the
thread existed and that I did not dream it.
Thanks (if I get an answer)."

Email number two (just now)

"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview ... 1#lastpost
I think lying is evil. I assume you do too. So why are you lying to me
yet again? My post 71 at the above thread most certainly was NOT 'off-
topic' and you have failed to explain why it 'was'. It was also
APPROVED last night in the pre-moderation that you suddenly imposed
upon me after censoring my TWO preceding posts - presumably because I
suggested, correctly, that the BBC had not only closed but totally
HIDDEN from view a previous thread about the SAME documentary.

But then some fool has decided today that post 71 was 'off-topic'
after all. It was NOT. Thus you are either crazy or are lying to me.
The person who checked the post last night and approved it made the
RIGHT decision.

Please note that I am not going to bother wasting my time formally
appealing against your ridiculous decision on post 71. Not because I
don't have a case, but because nobody else is posting at the long-
running thread (scarcely surprising given all the censorship which is
now going on there).

I would simply remind you (and inform copy recipients) that my
attempted post 71 - made at a time when posts 69 and 70 were
'temporarily' hidden from view and likely to remain thus permanently -
read as follows: "There was ANOTHER thread too. It began not on
Wednesday but on Tuesday. I cannot now find it". What the Hell is the
matter with mentioning that?

Given that I had not even participated in the censored thread, I was
NOT 'discussing moderation decisions' or some other nonsense of the
kind you have levelled against me in the past. I was SIMPLY pointing
out that I had realised that the thread linked to in my message 68 was
NOT, after all, the one I remembered from TUESDAY night. I was merely
clarifying what I wrote.

I would appreciate some semblance of a brief explanation for your
bizarre behaviour of the last 24 hours.

I was hoping that your previous punitive behaviour against me in 2012
was at an end.

If you did not sometimes dishonestly hide all trace of threads that
you have closed you would NOT get posts like mine (in a thread
discussing the SAME TV programme) trying to link to such threads and
then enquiring where on earth they have vanished to.

I am now once again posting about your bizarre moderation behaviour
towards me on a community forum which I visit - the same one where your
restrictions and the subsequent lifting of them in 2012 were all
documented.

I will also post there the gist of any response that I receive.
A H-R"
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Re: Not only YECs practice censorship

Postby Brian Jordan » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:11 pm

The discussion you are complaining about isn't about creationism: so far as I can see it's about climate change. While the YECs seem to be into climate change denial as well, any discussion of BBC censorship is two or even three jumps from anything topical to this forum.
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The fruit of BBC mb censorship

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon May 27, 2013 11:50 pm

I recently posted this at the BBC POV message board - and discussion has sparked on Monday after 'Springwatch' started on BBC Two.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview ... ad=8427516

May I briefly reiterate once again - for the benefit of any users of the BBC POV message board who also come here?

(1) the reason I have seemingly quit this discussion that I started is because the BBC recently BANNED me;
(2) the presumed reason for the ban is that I objected violently to their endless censorship of my posts for supposedly being 'off-topic' - a particular post most certainly was NOT and I emailed them (I was in physical pain at the time) and correctly if impolitely called them 'f****** evil liars' because of their stupid and unfair behaviour;
(3) the post in question was post 45 here, made late on 12 May - but CENSORED sometime on 13 May -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview ... 116144473;
(4) I don't have my exact wording, but I told the person at post 44 (NOT censored) that I sympathised, and added that messages 32 and 39 were mine, as was this other thread's opening post:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview ... ad=8415516
Thus I was discussing the SAME issue as him. But the BBC trigger happy morons seem unable to recognise this! I then made a comment SPECIFICALLY about Gardeners' World on 10 May, and then in closing posted a link to tell 'Drywsdad' how (s)he could contact BBC Wales about scheduling.

I NOW AM ASKING THE BBC TO INFORM FELLOW USERS AT THE SPRINGWATCH THREAD THAT THEY RECENTLY BANNED ME - AND TO EXPLAIN THEIR REASON FOR THE BAN.

Brian Jordan may wish to move this (recent and now renamed) thread to 'Science only'.
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Re: The fruit of BBC mb censorship (revised title)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue May 28, 2013 12:07 am

Email as sent to the BBC:


"Plea to BBC POV mb re your ban - pl tell other users.

BBC Central Communities

Please see these two links:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview ... ad=8427516
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3225&p=46088#p46088

I would be very grateful if the BBC could post a brief message at the
Springwatch thread informing contributors that I have been banned from
the BBC message boards and quoting the REASON (you of course would need
to make clear that the ban was triggered by my email of 13 May and not
by anything I posted on the message boards - and also making clear that
I have REQUESTED that this be announced at the thread, so people
realise that I did not start a thread only to then 'run away' from it;
and adding that any responses by other users to the news would be 'off-
topic').

If you FAIL to do this AND also FAIL to explain why not (there might
be a reason why this is not possible I do not know) I will of course
highlight your unreasonableness at the BCSE discussion forum.

This was all started by the pettiness and kneejerk responses of your
moderators and hosts towards perfectly acceptable postings.

Something I can live my life without in future.

Incidentally, Chris Packham did refer to the State of Nature report in
Monday's programme.

A H-R"
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Re: The fruit of BBC mb censorship (revised title)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue May 28, 2013 12:11 am

See also my post HERE at 4.17 pm on 14 May:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3104&p=45860#p45860
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Re: The fruit of BBC mb censorship

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed May 29, 2013 9:54 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:Brian Jordan may wish to move this (recent and now renamed) thread to 'Science only'.
I was thinking more in terms of "Conversations with Broadcasters". :twisted:
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Re: BBC Springwatch

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed May 29, 2013 9:18 pm

Had a reply from the BBC:
"Thank you for contacting the BBC.
I'm afraid that for data protection reasons we are not able to discuss user's accounts with other members of the site, nor do we pass messages on their behalf. The Communities Team are here to manage the moderation of the site, not to act as a private messaging service.
Please note that we are prepared to reinstate your account so that you are able to continue contributing to the site on provision that you give us assurances that you cease sending abusive or otherwise offensive emails.
If you could reply to confirm that you are prepared to abide by this agreement then your account will be reinstated.
Regards,
Central Communities Team".
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Re: BBC Springwatch

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed May 29, 2013 9:20 pm

My reply:
"Thank you for your response.
I am prepared to stop sending offensive/abusive email messages even if
you repeat your unreasonable censorship behaviour of 13 May - and
during much of 2012 - towards mb posts which were within your house
rules (incidentally I was under particularly stress and also in
physical pain on 13 May).
HOWEVER, I REMAIN ADAMANT THAT MY POST 45 HERE DID NOT BREAK ANY HOUSE
RULES AND WAS NOT 'OFF-TOPIC' AND THAT THE DECISION TO CENSOR THE POST
FOR BEING OFF-TOPIC WAS BOTH WRONG AND A BLATANT LIE. THAT IS WHY I
SENT THE EMAIL THAT I SENT.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview ... p116144473
Therefore, should the circumstances surrounding the above post happen
to repeat themselves and you again censor an on-topic and perfectly
acceptable post, I retain the right to call unidentified BBC moderators
and hosts 'liars' by email (as well as explaining why I use that term,
and possibly formally appealing as appropriate).
My email of 13 May DID point out WHY the BBC's behaviour towards my
post of 12 May was 'lying' - that if message 44 was not 'off-topic' (it
clearly wasn't) then NOR was my reply, which both addressed his
comments AND discussed Gardener's World.
You appear to have decided earlier this month that ANY post by me in
ANY circumstances and in ANY thread at BBC Television is 'off-topic' if
it mentions the amount of rugby union on BBC Wales television. An abuse
of your house rules.
To conclude. Please could you confirm that the mere use of the word
'liar' in an email, if this unfortunately became necessary once again,
would not count as offensive or abusive.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3225&p=46126#p46126
Ashley Haworth-Roberts"
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Re: The fruit of BBC mb censorship (revised title)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu May 30, 2013 1:13 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_3/
Just over 45 minutes' in: reference to J B S Haldane's remark about God's highly successful and favourite design in nature - the beetle.

Pity he was an evolutionary biologist and communist. Thus the only use CMI get from him is 'Haldane's dilemma'.
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