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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate (he prefers hot air)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:59 pm

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... the-truth/
This crude and clumsy blog post helps illustrate exactly why Mr Ken Ham runs a mile when challenged to a public debate about what science should be taught to kids with a prominent atheist (Aron Ra or P Z Myers of course, NOT Mr Dawkins - though he would be capable of such having written 'The Greatest Show on Earth: the Evidence for Evolution'; all Ham has written as far as I know, which I admit to not ever reading, are attacks on science and fantasies about dinosaurs).

What a fraud Ham is:
"Frankly, he [Dawkins] is quite ignorant of the issues of science and origins."
"Sadly, Dawkins believes that because biblical creationists don’t accept evolutionary ideas (namely that matter gave rise to life by natural processes, against what observational science clearly confirms)...". WHAT? Is Ham saying that 'observational science' confirms divine supernatural creation of 'kinds' of life. How? Where?

Of course if he took part in a debate he should not be allowed to get away with such empty claims. He would, or should, be required to back them up with ... EVIDENCE and SPECIFICS.

He KNOWS that.

Thus he spends his life indoctrinating kids, and writing blog posts upon which comments are not permitted, instead.

Can't see any reaction to Ham at the RD Twitter page. It's unclear whether the Dawkins promotional letter is available online eg at the Council for Secular Humanism website.
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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate

Postby Brian Jordan » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:33 pm

I can't find a copy on line and of course Ham wouldn't link to it if there was one. CMI have been slightly less coy and included a scan of some of the advertising leaflet that must contain the letter - but have not shown that part of it! http://creation.com/free-inquiry
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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:57 pm

Brian Jordan wrote:I can't find a copy on line and of course Ham wouldn't link to it if there was one. CMI have been slightly less coy and included a scan of some of the advertising leaflet that must contain the letter - but have not shown that part of it! http://creation.com/free-inquiry


So Dawkins wrote this over a year ago!

Ham must have been stuck for something to write about on Wednesday so decided the best thing to do was have a 'pop' at truth-suppressor Professor Dawkins.
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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate

Postby Brian Jordan » Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:12 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:
Brian Jordan wrote:I can't find a copy on line and of course Ham wouldn't link to it if there was one. CMI have been slightly less coy and included a scan of some of the advertising leaflet that must contain the letter - but have not shown that part of it! http://creation.com/free-inquiry


So Dawkins wrote this over a year ago!

Ham must have been stuck for something to write about on Wednesday so decided the best thing to do was have a 'pop' at truth-suppressor Professor Dawkins.
Well spotted Ashley! However, the quoted extracts are not quite the same. While they could be the different creationists' chosen quote-mines, they could represent different leaflets a year or so apart. Since neither group of creationists has had the courage to reproduce the letter in full, I think we're entitled to at least suspect the former and that Ham is scraping the bottom of the pork barrel.
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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:57 pm

Ham has just come out with this revelation on his Facebook page:
"Bodie Hodge's main point from his talk this morning at the Answers Mega Conference was the following: Using God's Word as our starting point, we can see that its history is true when it comes to dinosaurs, and the Bible is also true when it comes to the gospel of Jesus Christ".

I see. Mr Ham and his sidekick appear to be claiming that if you study the scriptures and make God's Word your 'starting point' then you will discover that children playing with dinosaurs less than 10,000 years' ago is JUST as obvious (and true) within its texts as the gospel of Jesus Christ. Yeah, Right.

The fact that such untruthful twaddle comes out of his mouth underlines exactly how Mr Ham clearly fears debating in public with another adult (PhD or no PhD) on 'what science should be taught to children' and makes all sorts of excuses whenever such a possibility is put to him.
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Ken Ham - charlatan

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:45 am

http://www.facebook.com/aigkenham
"Won't be long and I will be speaking at the Texas Home School Coalition Conference (August 1-3). As many of you are aware some Houston atheists are planning some sort of demonstration against me speaking at this conference. I've linked to a photos of some of the signs they claim they have prepared for the demonstration. Here is what they claim they will be doing:
http://www.meetup.com/HoustonSkeptics/events/128983902/
The main reason I linked to these items is because it is just another example of the intolerance of the atheists. Also, the signs they have prepared show clearly they do not understand science or the scientific method."

Ken Ham is forever claiming that atheists and presumed atheists do not understand science.

Yet he is demonstrably afraid to participate in a one on one debate with any of them about what science should be taught to children!

Perhaps he is afraid that atheists or evolutionists in any debate might point out to him and the audience his total hypocrisy with regards to science - how he INDOCTRINATES impressionable kids about dinosaurs and fossils (the Bible is silent on both) whilst whining about 'brainwashing' within science and probably other subjects too in the education system.
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What Ken Ham is talking about

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:33 pm

His 'Mega' conference.

Ray Comfort's new film.
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Re: What Ken Ham is likely to keep SILENT about

Postby Brian Jordan » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:33 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/aronra
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... l-science/
Oh dear, how depressing that PZ has to labour it so - no doubt to no avail. As for Ham's crusade against Aron Ra's wife, it sounds to be just vile.
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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:34 pm

Myers should have had enough sense to stay well clear of Comfort. Comfort makes him look completely clueless in the trailer (as he does with the other scientists).

After the "frog to a prince" fiasco with Dawkins, scientists really ought to know better by now.
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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:34 pm

Yawn.
http://drshormann.com/2013/07/13/free-t ... -to-think/
(As flagged by Myers and by Ra.)
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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate

Postby Peter Henderson » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:58 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:Yawn.
http://drshormann.com/2013/07/13/free-t ... -to-think/
(As flagged by Myers and by Ra.)


He sounds like a YEC Ashley.
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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:13 pm

Sure does - quacking like one.
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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:52 pm

Dr David Shormann, an inhabitant of Texas, doesn't sound like a particularly pleasant individual:

http://drshormann.com/2013/07/13/free-t ... -to-think/
http://drshormann.com/2013/07/30/hmns-t ... e-bigotry/
"This weekend (Aug. 3-4, 2013), atheists plan to display their bigotry and intolerance of Christians at two locations. Their first display of irrationality will be outside the Texas Home School Coaltion’s annual convention in The Woodlands. Then, on Sunday, they will take their show to the Houston Museum of Natural Science, who stands to profit off their bigotry and religious intolerance by renting them Moran Lecture Hall."
"Because God is a necessary precondition for rationiality, rejecting God equates with rejecting reason. Atheist Aron Ra makes this obvious in the audio clip, as apparently he uses magic instead of reason to define things. Of course, Aron and all atheists use reason to understand and evaluate anything, which exposes the fact that they know God exists."
"I am particularly disappointed that the Houston Museum of Natural Science (HMNS) does not seem to have a problem with making a profit off of such a religiously intolerant group. Not only are they attacking Christianity, they are attacking one man in particular, Ken Ham. It is un-American to support such religious intolerance and false claims that Christians are “anti-science”."
http://tfninsider.org/2013/07/31/creati ... upporters/
"That’s right: the guy who claims other people are intolerant wants the Houston Museum of Natural Science to ban groups he doesn’t like. What’s next? A book burning?"
http://drshormann.com/2013/07/31/hmns-c ... s-bullies/
"On Sunday, the same group is planning on having an anti-religion rally disguised as an “Answers in Science” meeting at the Houston Museum of Natural Science. I’ve asked HMNS to cancel the meeting, and let this group of intolerant bullies meet elsewhere. We don’t approve of bullies in the classroom, so why does HMNS approve of them in their lecture hall? The atheist gang is certainly entitled to express their opinion and display their intolerance of others for the world to see. I just think it’s wrong for HMNS to profit off of renting intolerant bullies a place to meet."
http://drshormann.com/2013/08/01/tfn-ca ... beheading/
"Yesterday, TFN posted a blog in response to my concerns, titling it “Creationist Demands That Houston Museum Ban Atheists and Science Supporters” Of course, I have no desire for HMNS to ban atheists and science supporters. How unreasonable! What I do think is right and proper though is to cancel the meeting hall rental, as HMNS should not profit from ANY groups promoting religious intolerance."
"How many hateful comments like this [the two comments shown are hateful] will it take to prove my point that the group meeting this Sunday is actually anti-religious bullies masquerading as “science supporters?”"
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Re: Ken Ham ducks a debate

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:58 pm

AS SENT TO AiG:

Ken Ham is a fraud who posts propaganda whilst avoiding scrutiny by critics.
http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... Ken+Ham%29
"The signs show clearly they do not understand science".
Total nonsense. It is Mr Ham's claim that science cannot discover - or discount - ANYTHING about the distant or recent past which is utterly false and simply a propaganda weapon. (I suspect the claim cannot be easily supported by scripture either - but YEC-ism is virtually an extra-biblical cult system set up to attack modern science.)
"The fact these atheists protested is itself confirmation of Romans 1." No it is not. Unlike many Christians who stick to scripture or talk of their experiences of praying and worshipping, YECs spread teachings that are KNOWN to be false, unscientific and unable to be empirically demonstrated as true (some of them are not even biblical eg the 'rapid' ice age nonsense or the claim that the 'pre-flood' world contained much more in the way of carbon-rich vegetation than today's world).
I suggest that YECs are seeking to suppress knowledge, and invent 'facts', more than atheists ever do.
If the Texas atheists don't understand science, and if Ken Ham does understand science, why is Ken Ham terrified of debating one on one with one of them about what science should be taught to young people?
If young Earth creationism was not intellectually bankrupt you would consider these questions and perhaps even address them on your website. But I suspect you will just reach for the 'delete' button. However, you cannot delete posts here:
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"It’s a shame the handful of atheists who demonstrated against me outside the conference on Saturday didn’t receive these cards when they were kids—maybe they wouldn’t have been so gullible to believe the lie of the evolution and millions of years".
Yes - Mr Ham believes in indoctrination rather than education. Get them young! Though I think the statement is rather dubious as young adults often re-evaluate their religious beliefs (or the lack of them).
I am NOT criticising telling kids about Christianity. I criticise young Earth creationist dogmatic science denial and pseudo-science.
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