Alert: Terry Mortenson in the UK, again

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Alert: Terry Mortenson in the UK, again

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:47 pm

Mr Ken Ham on his Facebook page today:
https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham
"AiG speaker/researcher/writer, Dr. Terry Mortenson is currently in the United Kingdom on a speaking tour. He has already received some great feedback from his presentations in a country that is so steeped in evolution and millions of years--even in much of the church.
It was great to see a write up about Terry speaking in Scotland. I've attached a copy of a news paper article. You can also access it at this link:
http://www.eastkilbridenews.co.uk/lanar ... -33427590/
We praise the Lord for Dr Nagy Iskander who is a shining light for the biblical creation movement in Scotland and is hosting Terry."

A bit more info here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/outreac ... /schedule/

And according to the newspaper, one of the topics liar Mortenson will be addressing whilst in Scotland is: 'Creation in six days or 14 billion years'. NEITHER DR MORTENSON, NEITHER. What a twerp (if that title is accurate). Though I suppose the last bit of what is described in Genesis 1 (the appearance of Homo sapiens) did not occur until nearly 13.7 bn years after the universe began. But modern humans were not created instantly from dust but most likely evolved from pre-existing species, and life on Earth is very OLD. (Incidentally only Genesis 2 states that the first human was created from dust, not Genesis 1 which merely refers to creation 'in God's image'.)

As for his host Dr Iskander, who I suggest should stick to medicine, he is quoted as saying: "let us approach this matter in a calm and scientific way, and let us examine the evidence before we jump to conclusions". If he is trying to describe what young Earth creationist apologists do, he is talking utter garbage. THAT is what genuine scientists collectively do. What deception by this YEC. YECs habitually twist the meaning of evidence, cherry pick parts of the evidence, or simply ignore evidence and pontificate about worldviews. Their conclusions are normally settled upon in advance. They then hunt for any supporting evidence.

As I thought of trying to comment under the article - but it appears that they are not accepting any comments.

As for the people on the Ham and AiG Facebook pages today they haven't a CLUE what science is. But they want to impose their version on everyone as part of the gospel. For instance in the discussion under Ham's latest 'Around the World' blog post: "We're behind because we don't start with God's word as the foundation for science"..(So how come the US is behind in science education, as this silly person acknowledges, when creationism exerts so much influence there compared to eg the UK?)

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Re: Alert: Terry Mortenson in the UK, again

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Re: Alert: Terry Mortenson in the UK, again

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Re: Alert: Terry Mortenson in the UK, again

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:15 am

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Re: Alert: Terry Mortenson in the UK, again

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:11 am

He's described by Answers in Genesis as a "researcher". I'd love to know exactly what he's "researching".

Still, I'm surprised he didn't take the short ferry journey over to Northern Ireland.
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Talking of Scotland

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:50 pm

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Talking of Scotland

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:19 pm

More on the recent events in central Scotland: http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com ... -a-chance/
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Calderglen High School

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:41 am

Interesting:
http://secularscotland.org/about-secula ... uls-place/
http://www.calderglen.s-lanark.sch.uk/
This is a public not private Christian school.

The BCSE seem already fully aware of the fact that a YEC and supporter of Answers in Genesis - who apparently invited Terry Mortenson to Scotland this week - is on the school's seven-person chaplaincy team. He does not formally teach any of the students as I understand it (being a surgeon by occupation). A Freedom of Information request is being taken forward regarding his role at the school and whether he influences how science and/or religion/Christianity/the Bible are taught and discussed.
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Re: Alert: Terry Mortenson in the UK, again

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:37 pm

I will shortly post more re (among other things) Dr Iskander at the 'Ken Ham ducks a debate' thread. It seems just as appropriate there as here.
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Mortenson master of misdirection

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:51 pm

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... Ken+Ham%29
"Dr Terry Mortenson (AiG–U.S.) weighed in on this petition as well, saying that if evolution is true, secularists shouldn’t just tolerate criticism, but welcome it".
So WHAT?
The petition does NOT day that any criticisms of or weaknesses within evolutionary theory should never be discussed in school science classes.
THIS is what the petition actually states:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... w/pNY6mCBg
That intelligent design and creationism are 'conjectures' which have 'no basis in scientific fact'. It does not say that evolution must be taught as being a 'perfect' or 'infallible' theory that is fully understood.

Once again an AiG bigot seeks to paint all evolutionists as being authoritarian because most of them want only coherent and fully evidence-based theories taught in education.


PS As sent to AiG:
White House petition
http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... Ken+Ham%29
Dr Mortenson is talking trash.
Any weaknesses within evolutionary theory should be taught and the petition does not say otherwise.
Rather it states that that intelligent design and creationism are both conjectures which have 'no basis in scientific fact'.
Thus there is NO scientific controversy between TWO or more scientific theories. There is one (imperfectly understood) scientific theory.
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Re: Alert: Terry Mortenson in the UK, again

Postby Peter Henderson » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:50 pm

If creationists such as AiG have evidence that what is being taught as science in all schools, colleges, or universities everywhere is somehow untrue and deeply flawed, then why don't they present it before a professional science body ?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/about/faith

◾By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record
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Re: Alert: Terry Mortenson in the UK, again

Postby Brian Jordan » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:12 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:If creationists such as AiG have evidence that what is being taught as science in all schools, colleges, or universities everywhere is somehow untrue and deeply flawed, then why don't they present it before a professional science body ?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/about/faith

◾By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record
I think it;s because that should read: "if it apparently contradicts our perceived or claimed interpretation of the scriptural record".
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It's not just AiG talking the nonsense

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:19 pm

http://christiannews.net/2013/06/22/pet ... s-schools/
"Popularity of evolution has little to do with evidence; rather it is a defiance of God".
The words of a Dr Kevin Anderson of the Creation Research Society. However, popularity of young Earth creationism has little to do with evidence either.

Also:
"Finally, Ham proposed that the online petition actually masks the vital importance of having legitimate conversations about life’s origins.
“Bizarre petitions like this one discourage serious discussion about such an important topic,” he noted. “Are there many subjects more important than addressing the question of where we all came from (and where we are headed), creation or evolution? There is meaning and purpose in life if there is a God, but purposelessness and meaninglessness without a God”".

Said the man who indoctrinates kids with pseudo-science but who lacks the courage to debate his claims about science one on one with another adult. (He is not lacking in confidence, but he knows his claims are total rubbish for anyone who has studied science.)
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