Give it up, McIntosh

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Re: Up Coming TV

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:48 pm

Well, not up and coming TV but up and coming radio.

Next Saturday's unbelievable on Premier Christian Radio features Andy McIntosh in a debate/discussion with Christian palaeontologist Robert Asher. Should be interesting hearing a combustion engineer talking about geology.

Now that Digital One has started in NI we can now get Premier on DAB. I notice they seem to be very pleased at this and are acknowledging their new listeners in NI.
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Re: Up Coming TV

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:11 pm

Today's podcast is now available:

http://www.premierradio.org.uk/shows/sa ... vable.aspx

Asher seemed somewhat taken aback by McIntosh's understanding of geology.

Justin did a good job controlling him.
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Re: Up Coming TV

Postby Michael » Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:54 pm

Anyone who has GCSE in science can learn the basics of geology - except McIntosh
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Re: Up Coming TV

Postby Peter Henderson » Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:23 pm

Michael wrote:Anyone who has GCSE in science can learn the basics of geology - except McIntosh


Or better still a GCE in geology.

Asher did a good job on McIntosh's "butterfly and dragon fly fossils" being buried rapidly nonsense. as well as catastrophic plate tectonics. He wasn't so sure on the C14 in dino fossils and coal claims, but he did seem to have read up a bit on McIntosh's material.

As usual, they couldn't get McIntosh to shut up at times and Brierley had to cut him short on a number of occasions.

I assume this is what McIntosh was going on about re. C14 in coal and dino fossils:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APEpwkXatbY
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Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:44 am

McIntosh thinks dragonflies have not changed over time. He must be thinking of that giant dragonfly that just flew over my head.
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Give it up, McIntosh

Postby franknhonest » Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:07 pm

I've just listened to your absurd rantings on Premier, and I'm amazed you still have the audacity to believe the world is less than 10,000 years old. Young earth creationism is over. Give up and accept reality!
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Re: Give it up, McIntosh

Postby Brian Jordan » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:08 pm

I suppose I ought to listen to it and make a record of his more preposterous remarks but I saw how long it was and jibbed. Is there anything new?
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Re: Give it up, McIntosh

Postby Brian Jordan » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:38 pm

MOD NOTE
I've moved a few posts here from the Upcoming TV thread.
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Re: Give it up, McIntosh

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:42 pm

Brian Jordan wrote:I suppose I ought to listen to it and make a record of his more preposterous remarks but I saw how long it was and jibbed. Is there anything new?


The last 20 minutes or so is Justin Brierley reading out listener comments on last week's programme (I didn't listen to that part).
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Re: Up Coming TV

Postby Brian Jordan » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:53 pm

This looks easier than listening to an hour of McIntosh: in situ formation. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/c14.html
Has he said anything to better that?
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Re: Give it up, McIntosh

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:14 pm

McIntosh kept referring to large deposits of high quality, carbon-rich coal - attributed to the Flood.

By constrast Asher referred to shale - deposited/formed under LOW energy conditions I believe he said. (Just remembered as BBC CountryFile has just mentioned shale gas.)
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Re: Give it up, McIntosh

Postby Brian Jordan » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:40 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:McIntosh kept referring to large deposits of high quality, carbon-rich coal - attributed to the Flood.
When I were a lad, that would mean the coal was very old not recently formed. Seems that some people think that's still the case. I wonder what McIntosh's former Fuel Technology colleagues would say?
There are four stages in coal formation: peat, lignite, bituminous and anthracite. The stage depends upon the conditions to which the plant remains are subjected after they were buried - the greater the pressure and heat, the higher the rank of coal. Higher-ranking coal is denser and contains less moisture and gases and has a higher heat value than lower-ranking coal.
http://www.minersmuseum.com/hof_mining_coal_formation.htm
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Re: Give it up, McIntosh

Postby Peter Henderson » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:30 pm

When McIntosh started going on about perfectly preserved butterfly and dragon fly fossils, supposedly during a violent food, Asher attempted to make the point "what do you think a a 40 ft tsunami would do to a dead butterfly".

McIntosh just went on and on and on. Such a fossil would have to be formed under low energy conditions.
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Re: Give it up, McIntosh

Postby Michael » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:58 am

Is there a transcript?
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Re: Give it up, McIntosh

Postby cathy » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:11 am

Is McIntosh still teaching at Leeds?
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