A fringe viewpoint in Edinburgh (and Indiana)

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A fringe viewpoint in Edinburgh (and Indiana)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:02 pm

http://gracesalt.wordpress.com/2013/08/ ... ontention/ (new post)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmIpYoR2OC8 (Marc Surtees used to post at the BCSE community forum)

I was assuming that the video is new - but I have just discovered, from around 23 minutes in, that it dates from 2007 not 2013 (it MAY be new on the internet, I don't know). Things have moved on somewhat since then concerning Australopithecus afarensis! For instance:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6018/750.abstract
From the Abstract: "These features show that the A. afarensis foot was functionally like that of modern humans and support the hypothesis that this species was a committed terrestrial biped."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2901440/
From the Abstract: "Together, these characteristics further establish that bipedality in Australopithecus was highly evolved and that thoracic form differed substantially from that of either extant African ape".

This issue of timing may explain how Mr Surtees appears somewhat to be cherry picking eg with the Dikika Baby and with ramus morphology in 'Lucy' - and I think his chart for humeral-femural ratio excluded Ardipithecus and Australopithecus species despite their obvious relevance*. (Looking at fossils he also suggests that certain extinct Homo species were merely 'apes' - I haven't investigated further as these are 'old' claims.)

From around 36 minutes the topic of the video moves from fossils to genetics - though only very briefly.

Tim calls evolution 'bankrupt' but in the same breath demonstrates profound ignorance by referring to australopiths as 'gorilla-types'.

These comments have been sent to Tim. I will now check the other 6 or so comments underneath Tim's blog post.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/11 ... ht-082113/
This story was mentioned in BBC Radio 4's 'Inside Science' TODAY.

I see Marc also made this video - again I assume it was not recorded in 2013 (though apparently it was 'published' this year):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhpqsjmWq_A
(comments are allowed so I will listen)



* Edit at 12.33 am BST. I now see that 'AL 288-1' is the 'Lucy' species, Australopithecus afarensis.
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Re: A fringe viewpoint in Edinburgh (and Indiana)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:22 pm

I believe I watched the Surtees 'Evidence for a Young Earth' video previously. I recall somebody posting one of his videos here and several of us commenting. I'm pretty certain it was this one, though cannot immediately confirm that via a successful word search.
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Re: A fringe viewpoint in Edinburgh (and Indiana)

Postby Brian Jordan » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:05 pm

I though this was about the Edinburgh Fringe, not the Lunatic Fringe. Or is it the lunatic Edinburgh Creation Group fringe? As for just adding an "s" to the title of Sylvia Baker's book "Bone of Contention", that's just pathetic.



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