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Creationism in Scottish schools

Postby Steve660 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:32 am

There's a fuss in Scotland just now involving a fundamentalist sect that managed to infiltrate a Scottish school and hand out its literature, apparently by invitation of two teachers, now suspended.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/education/ ... -1-3091562

Does anyone know of other examples north of the border? C4ID was suspected of setting up in Glasgow because Scottish schools apparently, are not obliged to keep creationism out as they are in England & Wales.
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Re: Creationism in Scottish schools

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:39 pm

Well, there's surgeon Nagy Iskander, a buddy of Ken Ham, who has his "JAM Club" in Glasgow. He wormed his way into the education system around Glasgow but I don't think the church he attends is involved to the extent that the "Church of God" was. Apart from getting him co-opted onto an Education Committee, that is!
An interesting suggestion about C4ID that I hadn't heard before. Have you any idea where their money comes from? It appears to be via the Channel Islands, but is it from the USA?
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Re: Creationism in Scottish schools

Postby Steve660 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:45 pm

Just weeks later there's another fuss about creationism in a Scottish school:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home ... r.22287215
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Re: Creationism in Scottish schools

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:35 am

Steve660 wrote:Just weeks later there's another fuss about creationism in a Scottish school:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home ... r.22287215



Loads of comments under the article I see.

There's also this fwiw: http://www.scotsman.com/news/hugh-reill ... -1-3118728
(As well as another thread at News and Links.)
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Anti-evolutionism in a London school?

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:31 am

http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com ... in-london/
(Two people based in the UK and named 'Dormant' and 'Megalonyx' have already commented.)
http://www.theguardian.com/education/20 ... -evolution
"A state-funded orthodox Jewish girls' school in north London has been criticised after it was discovered that dozens of pupils had their GCSE exams censored, with questions about evolution deliberately blacked out of science papers.
The OCR examinations board found that 52 papers in two GCSE science exams sat by pupils at Yesodey Hatorah Senior girls' school in Hackney this summer had questions on evolution obscured, making them impossible to be answered".

The Jewish school in question is voluntary aided. It certainly sounds like an odd situation.

Does anyone else have info about this?

Dormant also supplied this link about evangelical Christians evangelising in schools (whatever next). BUT the article also specifically mentions CREATIONISM.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24491511
Megalonyx supplied a further newspaper report:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/educa ... 72452.html

I'll dig a bit further and then make another post.
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Priest states Genesis creation 'factual' at Midlands school?

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:10 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24491511
See the second half of the article, which mentions an alleged creationist claim by a visiting priest made at an unnamed West Midlands primary school.

When I went to the National Secular Society website I found this:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2013/ ... te-schools
And also this:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/groups-cur ... schoo.html
And this (similar to the first NSS link):
http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2013/ ... in-schools

The BBC News website report regarding this primary school is based on comments here:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/uploads/ev ... chools.pdf
It quotes a Mike from the West Midlands as saying:
"I only found out about a local Baptist minister visiting my daughter’s school after she came home talking about Adam and Eve and the creation story from Genesis. She understood this as factual, which concerned me as we specifically chose a community school over a faith school because we don’t want a religious upbringing for our children.
I contacted the Department for Education with my concerns but they weren’t interested. They simply pointed out that RE and worship are both required by law, but for me there’s a massive difference between providing education and allowing evangelicals to target children in schools".

I have not been able to identify the school. I had a quick look at the websites for the Birmingham Post, Birmingham Mail, Express and Star and Coventry Evening Telegraph.

I DID come across this. It looks OK on the face of it though there's at least a small chance that it is the school complained about :
http://www.templemeadow.com/classpages_ ... ame=year11
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Re: Anti-evolutionism in a London school?

Postby Brian Jordan » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:06 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:dozens of pupils had their GCSE exams censored, with questions about evolution deliberately blacked out of science papers.
The OCR examinations board found that 52 papers in two GCSE science exams sat by pupils at Yesodey Hatorah Senior girls' school in Hackney this summer had questions on evolution obscured, making them impossible to be answered".

The Jewish school in question is voluntary aided. It certainly sounds like an odd situation.

Does anyone else have info about this?
One thing I recall seeing was that an examining body calculated that quite a small percentage of questions was removed. Shamefully, they commented that it hadn't given any pupils at the school an unfair advantage, apparently dismissing the possibility that they might have lost marks.
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Re: Creationism in Scottish schools

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:26 pm

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Talking of Scotland

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:42 pm

This Rev'd David Blunt of North Uist sounds like an interesting character:

http://bcseweb.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/s ... 5482891353
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Re: Creationism in Scottish schools

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:59 pm

All pretty self-explanatory (Robertson seems to think that if you oppose creationism you oppose Christianity too - which is not always true).
http://www.scotsman.com/news/there-is-r ... -1-3156429
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Re: Creationism in Scottish schools

Postby cathy » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:53 pm

One thing I recall seeing was that an examining body calculated that quite a small percentage of questions was removed. Shamefully, they commented that it hadn't given any pupils at the school an unfair advantage, apparently dismissing the possibility that they might have lost marks.

As far as I'm aware it is illegal (or against the rules allowing schools to do external exams like gcses) for schools to open the exam papers prior to the exam and even look at them let alone go thru the questions and tamper with them in any way!!!!!! There are very strict rules, for example a students paper can be deemed invalid if they don't stop writing when told to etc.

The rules are strict and we are very careful, schools even tend employ external invigilators now, whereas in my day teachers of different subjects invigilated. It is unlikely you'd be caught but there is always the risk the exam board could come in and check.

So I'm not quite sure why the whole exam wasn't invalidated and the schools licence to offer exams checked in some way. We're not allowed into the exam room or to see our exam papers until after the students have finished them, let alone open them beforehand and look at the questions. This doesn't seem to have been hidden and the exam board has commented.

So what the hell has gone on here. Why didn't OCR invalidate the whole exam for that school and rescind its licence to do exams on its premises. It is a clear breach of the rules!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: What are OCR doing, a clear message needs to be sent!!
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