Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby jon_12091 » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:27 pm

marshall wrote:The historical evidence points to the biblical record being true as well. Virtually every culture has a worldwide flood myth and many of them are remarkably similar to the account given in the Bible.

Have you, for example, actually read Gilgamesh (rather than [insert creationist website of choice])?

As for the age of the Earth, leaving aside radiometric dating, there are a great many indicators of deep time:
Varves
Hard grounds / condensed sequences
Paleosols
Tidal drapes
Limestone / chalk
Multiple glaciations thoughout the geological column
Cyclic stratagraphic sequences
Diagenesis

There is also the problem of there being no evidence for a global flood in the geological record.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Malcolm Stein » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:25 pm

Marshall wrote:
The historical evidence points to the biblical record being true as well. Virtually every culture has a worldwide flood myth and many of them are remarkably similar to the account given in the Bible.


There is plenty of evidence for local floods. There is no credible evidence for a world-wide one.

An ancient civilisation would naturally consider a catastrophic local flood (as far as the eye could see) to be world-wide.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby cathy » Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:01 pm

There is a whole lot of data besides lightning that cast doubt on an earth that is 4.54 billions years old. Dr. Sarfati at Creation Ministries International shows the flaws of radiometric dating and why the earth is about 6,000 years old: http://creation.com/how-old-is-the-earth


Marshall the stuff that Sarfatic comes out with has been refuted by reputable scientists again and again ad nauseum. It is interesting that you, like all creationists, choose to ignore it. Go look a little harder and with a more questioning and critical eye. The problem with creationists is their total lack of critical thinking. The most obvious flaw being the unbelievable faith creationists have in some kind of world wide conspiracy of 99.99999% of the worlds scientists.

Men may doubt the Book of Genesis, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Men? Do you mean people by any chance? Or do women not count in creationist's eyes?

True and literal are not necessarily the same. Go read Genesis with a critical eye as well. Explain the contradictions without recourse to the nonsense from CMI. Because if you take their view on the contradictions you have to alter the original hebrew without any good reason. In short the fact that creationists who blather on about the inerrant word of God then seek to change it to suit their purposes.

And can you explain why the likes of Sarfatic et al, who claim to believe God created the world, deny what is actually in the world and replace it with their own rather silly made up versions. I'm not a believer, but if I was I'd sort of think that was blasphemous.

The acceptance of an idea by many people doesn't make it any more true or less true.
Good point well made and very correct. Except it isn't the acceptance of the idea of evolution by many people that makes it true it is the overwhelming evidence for it. It is the overwhelming evidence found by very experienced people that make evolution true and creationism false. It is the simple fact that no other theory can explain that evidence.

The acceptance of the idea of creationism by many people doesn't make it true or false. It is the complete absence of any data or evidence that credibly supports it that makes it false. It is the fact that all evidence currently falsifies it and so on.

Virtually every culture has a worldwide flood myth and many of them are remarkably similar to the account
Weeeell that could be because floods are common and devastating. We even have local flood myths here from a few years ago when heavy rain meant it took four hours to get home from work. The day the rain was heavy has long since become myth with tales of folk being stranded for days on the roof of the stationery cupboard.

There is, however, no evidence whatsoever for a global flood. But just sit and think for a minute about what such a flood so recently would show. The evidence would be unambigous, obvious and widespread - yet we have nothing to support it at all. Why?
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:40 am

What happened to Marshall?
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Roger Stanyard » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:49 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:What happened to Marshall?


He was probably here in the first place only to preach and save souls.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Peter Henderson » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:11 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:What happened to Marshall?


He's been raptured.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Roger Stanyard » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:10 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:
a_haworthroberts wrote:What happened to Marshall?


He's been raptured.


If so he's probably stuck outside of the Pearly Gates boring the pants off of St Peter with "creation science".
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby marshall » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:54 am

a_haworthroberts,

There are at least 101 evidences for a young age of the earth and the universe: http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth

It is evolutionists who operate on blind faith and speculation. The origin of life, which is a part of the evolutionary model. is an excellent example of evolutionist blind faith: http://creation.com/origin-of-life
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Peter Henderson » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:52 am

marshall wrote:a_haworthroberts,

There are at least 101 evidences for a young age of the earth and the universe: http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth

It is evolutionists who operate on blind faith and speculation. The origin of life, which is a part of the evolutionary model. is an excellent example of evolutionist blind faith: http://creation.com/origin-of-life


and there is one piece of evidence which trumps all of the above:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQzmfcUKSFM

Geologists knew the Earth was very old long before radiometric dating.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby Roger Stanyard » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:26 pm

marshall wrote:a_haworthroberts,

There are at least 101 evidences for a young age of the earth and the universe: http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth

It is evolutionists who operate on blind faith and speculation. The origin of life, which is a part of the evolutionary model. is an excellent example of evolutionist blind faith: http://creation.com/origin-of-life


Yer sure this consists of "evidences" - except it is the web site of Creation Ministries International which has no credibility in science whatsoever. Its stuff is never submitted for peer review and its "scientists" are non-entities,

Are you actually capable of explaining any science (or even "creation science") in your own words? Precisely what is the "scientific theory of creationism"?

Are you aware that most of what Creation Ministries pushes was produced years ago and has been repeatedly debunked. Nobody reads it or listens to it anymore.


Nah, the theory of evolution by natural selection explains the differences between species, not the origins of life. The latter is known as abiogenesis and is largely the domain of chemistry rather that biology.

There is no such thing as an "evolutionist" (or "Darwinist") in the scientific professions.
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Re: Lightning casts doubt on the age of the Earth !

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:47 pm

Marshall needs to examine the evidence for and against young earth creationism. As we have done. Which means looking at non-YEC sites (some of which are still Christian) as well as YEC sites.
Is he up to the challenge?
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