Bizarre science claims from Georgia Purdom

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Bizarre science claims from Georgia Purdom

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:46 am

I have added two comments here (where comments are pre-moderated):
http://thenaturalhistorian.com/2013/12/ ... mment-3253

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YEC Georgia Purdom on her Facebook page (from which she banned me after I corrected a factual error some weeks ago):
“Dd you hear about the new “hominid” find in Spain? We reported on it last week in our News to Know feature and I was quoted on the issue by Baptist Press.
I found it ironic that I actually agreed more with the person from The Discovery Institute (Intelligent Design organization) than the person from Reasons to Believe (old earth creation organization). Sad when those who profess Christ clearly deny the genetic, archaeological, and fossil evidence that indicates Neanderthals and others like those from Sima de los Huesos were fully human.
http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=41674
Thus Purdom – supposedly a geneticist – glosses over (like Luskin) the DNA evidence. Why? Because it does not fit with her dogma and her pre-determined beliefs about humanity’s past (derived not from evidence but from a more than 2,000 year old sacred book). No analysis – just dogma and misleading soundbites.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/va ... 12788.html

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In this recent AiG article Elizabeth Mitchell admits:
“Ancient DNA tends to be degraded into single-stranded fragments. Improvements in technology enabled scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Human Anthropology last year to sequence such DNA and learn more about the elusive Denisovans. That [mitochondrial] DNA evidence confirmed that Denisovans, Neanderthals, and modern humans are all related.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... overy-sima
Thus they must DENY utterly that the bones could be from a different species to Homo sapiens/Homo sapiens sapiens as otherwise evolution might start to look plausible (especially if the bones are as old as scientists say they are).
Does the final section of the Mitchell article deny utterly that the bones could be from any creature other than our own species. Yes, of course it does!
The very ancient bones found in a Spanish cave ‘must’ belong to ‘descendants of Noah’s family’! Science is ‘simple’ when you are a young Earth creationist – because YECs are simplistic enemies of science.
Mitchell also writes: “In fact, the International HapMap project has found that the differences between the DNA of any two humans is remarkably small. Dr. Purdom, in a chapter entitled “Were Adam and Eve Real People” in the book How We Know the Bible Is True, volume 2, writes:
These studies and others have shown that the difference in DNA between any two humans is amazingly low . . . only 0.1 percent. Reflecting on this very low percentage, some scientists posited, “This proportion is low compared with those of many other species, from fruit flies to chimpanzees, reflecting the recent origins of our species from a small founding population” (emphases mine). They also stated, “[Certain genetic estimates] tell us that humans vary only slightly at the DNA level and that only a small proportion of this variation separates continental populations.” That is of NO help to YEC ideologues – unless they reject the Bible and assume that whilst almost all humans were wiped out by Noah’s flood, chimpanzees totally escaped.
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Re: Bizarre science claims from Georgia Purdom

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:56 am

Thread link sent to AiG, using this page.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/feedbac ... iaResponse

Their response will be deafeningly silent.
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Re: Bizarre science claims from Georgia Purdom

Postby Peter Henderson » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:06 pm

supposedly a geneticist


Thought she was a molecular biologist Ashley ?
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Re: Bizarre science claims from Georgia Purdom

Postby cathy » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:08 pm

Thought she was a molecular biologist Ashley ?

Think she's a creation 'scientist' and therefore claims expertise in all disciplines whilst having expertise in non.
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Re: Bizarre science claims from Georgia Purdom

Postby Roger Stanyard » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:24 pm

cathy wrote:
Thought she was a molecular biologist Ashley ?

Think she's a creation 'scientist' and therefore claims expertise in all disciplines whilst having expertise in non.


The Encycopedia of American Lons, a latter day Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy about right wing American nutjobs, "has this to say about Georgia Purdom":

http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... urdom.html
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Re: Bizarre science claims from Georgia Purdom

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:01 pm

PZ wrote:Then when Shermer presses her on what kinds of experiments she would do to test her assertions, she says, “We wouldn’t do that because we know there’s no point in doing that, because the Bible has the answer.” There’s no science there; that’s a plain admission.
Says it all, really.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/16/shermer-at-the-creation-museum/
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Re: Bizarre science claims from Georgia Purdom

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:48 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:
supposedly a geneticist


Thought she was a molecular biologist Ashley ?


Peter - you appear to be correct. I was extrapolating from this piece:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/ar ... purdom.asp
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Re: Bizarre science claims from Georgia Purdom

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:15 pm

Worked as a professor too, straight after getter her Ph.D. Nice work - as long as you can find a private Bible college, that is.
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Even more bizarre claims

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:48 pm

http://gracesalt.wordpress.com/2013/12/ ... omment-373

I have just left a somewhat derogatory comment on this:
"Further confirmation that when you start with the Bible when trying to do 'science', all you come up with is baseless, far-fetched speculations that fail miserably to explain the past compared to the much more sophisticated hypotheses of genuine science.
"This exposes the evolutionary assumption that the world has always operated the same way as we observe it today". WHAT does?
You also appear out of step with mainstream young earth creationists (and some ID proponents). http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=41674
Do you believe that Neanderthals were misidentified Homo sapiens or do you accept that they were probably a different species? They of course almost certainly went extinct before Judaism or Christianity, and the Bible, ever existed.
You appear to state that Neanderthals only lived before the 'Flood'. Georgia Purdom by contrast speculates wildly that they radiated out from Babel after said Flood. It looks like you need to sort this out between yourselves - which version is the LEAST implausible?
Just trying to insist (assuming it even happened and it did not in the biblical and 'recent' sense) that the pre-Flood world "operated much differently" is NOT science in the slightest. It is religious Special Pleading (which adds to what Genesis actually says too, other than the '900 year lifesspan' stuff).
Do you truly believe what you have written in your final sentence? Where does the Bible imply 'human transitions' (morphological or genetic) as you describe them. I suggest that all these transitions fall perfectly in line with is either an evolutionary history or YOUR baseless speculations because you try to do alternative 'science' starting with Genesis - and not what the vast majority of people would expect if they read the Bible and took Genesis as real history."
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Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:55 pm

I think he enjoys being ignorant for Jesus.
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Re: Bizarre science claims from Georgia Purdom

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:39 pm

Something Dr Purdom ought to READ:

http://creation.com/mutations-new-information
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