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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:23 am

Peter Henderson wrote:
Mr Ham appears to wish to hide his links to far right politicians.


I was watching Revelation TV's creation hour on Saturday Ashley and Ham actually accused Obama of being responsible for the deaths of 55 million children (more than the Nazis apparently). This is presumably in relation to abortion etc. in the US.



He would day that wouldn't he? Alas for him legal abortion in the USA exists because of a legal decision (Roe v Wade) in the 1970s and not because of the actions of Barak Obama (or any other Washington DC politician). Obama has no mandate from those that voted for him to ban abortion. That's how democracy works. However, Ham isn't even a US citizen so he can't vote there. Instead he's got himself mixed up with the clowns of the League of the South who don't believe in democracy and are aiming to get political power using the gun. As Ed Brayton has commented, the League of the South is a very, very scary organisation.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:47 am

cathy wrote:Sadly it's not just the loonies of the religious right that talk out of their arses tho :(

Arch atheist and all found sexist idiot Dawkins is getting there slowly. Hers his latest

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... s-bad-name

So how long before he's calling for women to stay at home or perhaps only venture out accompanied by men and perhaps clothed in burkhas to avoid rape.

Honestly the whole world is going mad and it's not just 'religion' that's an excuse for misogyny :(

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 4169447424


It doesn't surprise me at all that the New Atheist movement is falling apart. Apart fom my own run ins with them some years back, I note the continuing intollerence in PZ Myers blog is a siight to behold. It's sad really. Not believing in someone else's religion is universal and no big deal for the majority of people.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Peter Henderson » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:58 pm

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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:35 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2014/09/18/ken-hams-organization-denies-facts-about-conference-sponsors/


It looks as if Big Ken Scam is trying to return Peroutka's favour at the same time as denying what Peroutka actually is. Alas for Scam, the cat is out of the bag.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:58 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2014/09/18/ken-hams-organization-denies-facts-about-conference-sponsors/


Well, the obvious solution to this dispute about facts is to invite another intellectual and impartial group of rednecks along - Sarah Palin and her family. They they could all get drunk and beat the living daylights out of each other.

It would certainly draw in the crowds. By all accounts, Brstol Palin throwns a pretty mean punch.
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Ken Ham comes clean about working with Peroutka

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Re: Ken Ham comes clean about working with Peroutka

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:52 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2014/10/04/meet-me-in-maryland/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+KenHam+%28Around+the+World+with+Ken+Ham%29


So there we have it - Ken Ham, who claims that belief in evolution" causes racism, is, again, in bed with a bunch of Neo-Nazis white supremecists. Amongst the speakers at the event is David Whitney, also a League of the South member. The Institute on the Constitution, which is running the event, is controlled by Peroutka.


Of course, the first thing Scam's pals want when they seize power is to stop anyone voting unless they follow the League of the South's "religion". The objective looks to be to create an authoritarian racist theocracy founded on violence.

How does that differ from ISIS?

Or is it just a case of a crackpot speaking to to a convocation of kooks? (Pretty common in wingnut circles in the USA.)

[see http://aattp.org/creationist-whack-a-do ... onference/ and http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthro ... onference/ ]
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:55 pm

Roger Stanyard wrote:Seems like Ken Ham's new pal, Micahel Peroutka, is even more extreme than I thought. Peroutka is the businessman and wanabee US politician who donated a dinosaur skeleton to Ken Ham's "Creation Museum". The fossile is estimated to be worth around $1-$2 million.

It seems that Peroutka doesn't beleive in democracy; he's advocating the formation of a totalitarian theocracy and terrorism and violence to achieve it. No different, of course to IS in Syria/Iraq except thar Peroutka is also a complete racist as well. (Birds of a feather schreeching to the same tune, again.)

A good analysis of what he and his pals stand for can be seen at http://www.salon.com/2014/08/16/gops_po ... _dividers/ and http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthro ... the-south/

Ham clearly has a very nasty, dangerous and highly politicised pal helping him. One wonders precisely who else Ham has got help from, particularly towards the financing of his "Ark Encounter".


Surprise, surprise, Michael Peroutka, now standing for election as a Republican politician, has left the League of the South as he has suddenly found out that it's racist (but, of course, hasn't mentioned the racism will damage his election prospects).
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Brian Jordan » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:19 pm

I find exchanges on Twitter incomprehensible. Consequently I avoid it. Dawkins would be well advised to do likewise. As he has by now surely been told times without number.
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Another creationist US politician

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:18 pm

I've seen an exchange between 'Prof Tertius' and a creationist (at an Amazon.com book review by the former of 'Ultimate Proof of Creation') which shows that retired neurosurgeon Benjamin Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist and (young earth?) creationist.

And apparently hopes to become President of the United States in 2016.

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Re: Another creationist US politician

Postby Roger Stanyard » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:27 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:I've seen an exchange between 'Prof Tertius' and a creationist (at an Amazon.com book review by the former of 'Ultimate Proof of Creation') which shows that retired neurosurgeon Benjamin Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist and (young earth?) creationist.

And apparently hopes to become President of the United States in 2016.

Pl see:
http://www.amazon.com/review/RHRSYK0D1Z ... hisHelpful


Yer and what's worse is that Michael Peroutka has just got himself elected to a political position. He isn't repsenting rural hayseeds, either. The place he represents is one of the richest places in the USA. It would not surprise me that his next step is to aim for the presidency.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/n ... d-election
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:34 pm

Roger Stanyard wrote:Seems like Ken Ham's new pal, Micahel Peroutka, is even more extreme than I thought.......

Well, npw he has been elected, Peroutka has decided that he is no longer a neo-Confederate but just a Confederate. That's good. Now I can drop the "neo-"
prefix altogether - such as when I describe him as a neo-Nazi.

See http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/m ... ZlFXU.dpuf
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