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Postby Brian Jordan » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:50 pm

A rather speculative and a bit amateurish Horizon programme "Are Chimps Human" was nontheless very interesting and enjoyable. The highlight was a bonobo making herself - just about - instant noodles in response to spoken instructions from her human attendant.

My question is this: what is the theological view on what defines the difference between humans and animals? Suppose (I'm not advocating it, I'd likely be locked up) humans and chimps interbred - what then? Would there be a gradation of humanity, or a cut-off at the point where a quantum of soul is transmitted?

I'd post this in Scripture, but I'm not sure anyone has written about it yet.

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Postby Anonymous » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:55 pm

The only people who have written about it have been the church
hierarchies. Essentially, Pope John Paul II believed, for example, that
the difference lay in humans receiving a soul from God. The timing? When
"we" became anatomically modern.

BTW: "anatomically modern human" can never be described definitely in
anatomical terms. Day & Stringer attempted to do so in the late 1980s
and failed. Anatomical diversity is too great.
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Postby Dave Oldridge » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:47 pm

On 10 Oct 2006 at 16:50, Oeditor wrote:

A rather speculative and a bit amateurish Horizon programme "Are
Chimps Human" was nontheless very interesting and enjoyable. The
highlight was a bonobo making herself - just about - instant
noodles in response to spoken instructions from her human
attendant.

My question is this: what is the theological view on what
defines the difference between humans and animals? Suppose (I'm
not advocating it, I'd likely be locked up) humans and chimps
interbred - what then? Would there be a gradation of humanity,
or a cut-off at the point where a quantum of soul is
transmitted?

I'd post this in Scripture, but I'm not sure anyone has written
about it yet.

Well, the orthodox teaching is that God supplies each creature
with a soul suited to its nature. The human rational soul is
deemed to be the only one capable of real sin. By crossbreeding
humans and chimps (if such a hybrid were even possible), we might
actually have to assess the damage, so to speak. THAT should be
good for about a millenium of debate!

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Postby Timothy Chase » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:51 pm

On 11/10/06, Dave Oldridge <doldridg@shaw.ca> wrote:
Well, the orthodox teaching is that God supplies each creature
with a soul suited to its nature. The human rational soul is
deemed to be the only one capable of real sin. By crossbreeding
humans and chimps (if such a hybrid were even possible), we might
actually have to assess the damage, so to speak. THAT should be
good for about a millenium of debate!

When you say "assess the damage," are you speaking of the damage to
the hybrid or the crossbreeder?
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Postby Dave Oldridge » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:56 am

On 11 Oct 2006 at 15:58, Timothy Chase wrote:

On 11/10/06, Dave Oldridge <doldridg@shaw.ca> wrote:

Well, the orthodox teaching is that God supplies each
creature
with a soul suited to its nature. The human rational soul is
deemed to be the only one capable of real sin. By
crossbreeding
humans and chimps (if such a hybrid were even possible), we
might
actually have to assess the damage, so to speak. THAT should
be
good for about a millenium of debate!


When you say "assess the damage," are you speaking of the
damage to the hybrid or the crossbreeder?

No, damage to the Church's peace of mind! I mean this is WORK.
Theologians are not used to that!


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Postby Timothy Chase » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:59 am

Dave Oldridge wrote:No, damage to the Church's peace of mind! I mean this is WORK.
Theologians are not used to that!


I might like to try just injecting the appropriate protein into the appropriate bone growth plate - with a chimpanzee or cat. Chimps seem to as well or better than humans early on. But I am not sure how ethical that would be such an experiment would be, and if their heads were expanded in this way, the poor things would look pretty odd.

Oh well.
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