YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

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Despicable and evil (and a YEC)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:34 pm

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
I see that this despicable self-deluded fraud (he thinks he's doing the word of the Lord) has been going on on his Facebook page within the past 2 to 3 hours about how (among other things) "narcissistic atheopaths who cannot think logically go on the warpath" . (He cannot be referring to me since I can and do think logically despite him attempting for many years to convince people otherwise.) But perhaps he would get less opposition if he did not post so much offensive and bigoted material (not just pseudo-science but angry put-downs of people who commit the crime of having different opinions or 'worldviews' to him)?

Meanwhile just over four hours ago I sent the following further message to him:
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viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&p=50965#p50965
The ball is in your court. Will you man up?"

But if I ever was in any doubt I am certain he will never 'man up'. Unrepentant evil upon evil is all we can expect from this liar. Why do I say this? Because I see that - in a futile attempt to shield himself from reality and ever face up to his own unChristian hatred and mendacity - he has removed the 'comment' link from under his blogs so that I am unable to communicate further with him should I wish or need to. But he will see this comment here.

Evasive Sorensen is so bigoted that he is decided that if anyone opposes him that person is an 'atheopath' and if a person is an 'atheopath' that person is by definition a 'liar' and therefore ANY allegation against Sorensen or indeed any PROOF of his LYING that is presented to him is by definition 'false' and 'trolling'. A form of (religious) irrationality indeed insanity - one which leads to the delusion that "I can and will lie at will and nobody can ever show that I am not always speaking 'truth'".

I am convinced that he believes it is his religious duty to twist my words - to pretend that my comment "I did nothing of the kind" applied to his comment that I called him a bigot/guilty of bigotry, despite me NEVER saying that and telling him 'TO HIS FACE' that I did not and repeating what I REALLY said and meant. After all if I am a 'lying atheopath' (because I oppose his behaviour and many of his claims) therefore it is his religious DUTY to 'prove' this to his 'fans'. The real facts don't matter.

Classic bigotry (and hypocrisy).

Those in the real world and with ALL the relevant evidence can see that Sorensen is a pathological liar. Him telling himself otherwise, and that he is 'not' and that he is being persecuted merely because he is doing the work of the Lord, would not wash should he be so foolish to try it.

Of course he could not plead to God "I did not know that I was lying". It has been repeatedly proven to him and to others.
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Despicable and evil (and a YEC)

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:51 pm

It must be Christmas!

Around 20 minutes ago Sorensen posted this on his Facebook:
"This entry in the "Hitler Finds Out" short subtitled videos has most of his rant taken from a certain narcissistic atheopath anti-creationist. Not all are this extreme, but it does help show the kind of attitude, bigotry, and dreadful "reasoning" (based on faulty presupposition) that we have to deal with.
https://youtu.be/2_qUzlKtDpE"

What further proof do you need that I am dealing with a despicable pathological lying hate-filled hypocrite and evasive coward who calls himself a 'Christian' and 'biblical creationist'?

Does anyone know whether Facebook would ban a person for misusing their social medium in this way?

Nazis always call other people who oppose them 'nazis'. So does Sorensen (he is not a nazi but he has deeply authoritarian tendencies including a hatred of free speech and open dialogue).

He will not win this fight. He has already lost it. He is getting incredibly desperate. Some of his fans might stumble on this page. He must be hoping against hope that they do not.
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Evil and despicable

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:00 pm

Now these evil people (wearing Christian clothing) are TWISTING my words here on this gutter Facebook page again. If Sorensen is misquoting MY words then he is falsely accusing me of 'lying' - I know for certain that he is referring to me whether he names me or not (and his Hitler rant does refer to 'Haywire' so that gives him away). Twisting the words of opponents is of course is the purpose of this and every other Sorensen page polluting the internet - misinformation and lying propaganda (it's the only way to convince rational and not so rational people that YEC claims are true and 'trump' science - deception and utter mendacity). I hope for their sakes that God does not exist.

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
"I've been reading Ashley Hitler-Robber's rants. He says things are not written about him, but he's mad anyway. He lies about lying and wonders why nobody takes him seriously. What he REALLY needs is to drink a nice tall glass of dihydrogen monoxide, that'll settle him down." (Curtis Long.)
"The sooner the better! -CBB"

These people are evil. And utter cowards.

Every word I have written here yesterday and today is true.

That's why they are screaming and shouting and calling me 'Hitler'. Instead of behaving like Christians or indeed adults.

If hell exists they will rot in it for eternity.
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Evil and despicable

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:09 pm

Go on LIAR Bob. Add the link to THIS page to your Facebook page so honest people - assuming that is that any honest people read your hate pages and not just pathological liars - can judge for themselves. After all you have 'documentation' LOL. Produce your documentation. And let people see the full story not just your 'story'. LOL.
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YEC liar Bob Sorensen - latest raving

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:14 pm

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2016/08 ... rrors.html
"It's mighty helpful to learn about logical fallacies, especially when opponents of biblical creation use them so frequently. We get a heap of them at The Question Evolution Project, and bad reasoning from the Evo Sith is common fare on many creationary sites and social media. They get really agitated when we point out the fallacies, and some get furious when they are not allowed to continue building arguments on foundations based on faulty arguments or premises."

So Sorensen censors and bans people such as myself because we use 'bad reasoning' and 'fallacies' and build 'arguments on foundations based on faulty arguments or premises'?

I DON'T BELIEVE THIS GARBAGE. HE UNILATERALLY CENSORS AND BANS BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BROWBEAT AND PROPAGANDISE, AND DOES NOT WANT AN HONEST OPEN DEBATE ABOUT YEC CLAIMS. AND PROBABLY ALSO BECAUSE IN MANY CASES HE LACKS A PROPER REFUTATION OF THE ARGUMENTS HE DISLIKES - SO HE RESORTS TO CLAIMS (VERY RARELY SUBSTANTIATED WITH BOTH ACTUAL EXAMPLES AND THEN WITH DETAILED COUNTER ARGUMENTATION) OF 'BAD REASONING' ETC (PLUS HIS TIRADES ARE ACCOMPANIED BY ENDLESS NAME-CALLING - 'EVOSITH', 'TROLL', 'OWLHOOT', 'TINHORN', 'ATHEOPATH' ETC ETC).

Not a Christian. Not a truthful person either.

"the truth of it devastates long-age geology". That's funny, we're still waiting for a YEC 'scientist' to win a Nobel Prize for (a) proving a recent worldwide flood and (b) in turn (or in some other way) disproving long-age geology ...

What garbage YEC ideologues come out with.

Meanwhile, Sorensen is also (rightly) VEXED about Homo naledi. So flags some drivel in an attempt to settle his concern about the implications of these South African fossils:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2016/08 ... bling.html
http://crev.info/2016/07/more-early-man-troubles-again/ (the bigoted David Coppedge or some other co-writer)
New discoveries in human origins are causing 'turmoil'! Apparently. Including "some of the latest problems involve Homo naledi ...".
So what is this turmoil involving eg Homo naledi? It results from a suggestion that the species was around as 'recently' as 912,000 years ago. More recently than some have previously assumed. This means, it has been suggested by Coppedge, "Paleoanthropologists will have to change their picture of human evolution. It would mean early Africa was a melting pot of species that lived around the same time, not one species evolving to replace another on the advance to modernity." Which is a false dichotomy since the 'advance to modernity' need not involve just 'one' species evolving to replace another.

(And perhaps AiG will have to revise their claim that Homo naledi was an 'ape' ie not really part of the genus Homo.)

It's called SCIENCE, Bob.

And all YOU have on the other hand is propaganda and the posting of other peoples' claims second hand. Such as this gem on your facebook dated 13 August: "Oh yes, they won't let facts get in the way of a good misrepresentation. -CBB". A good misrepresentation describes what YOU do rather well, don't you think? But unlike me you are also a coward afraid of honest open online debate.



There is no quote mining here. But don't hold your breath if you are expecting Bob NOT to quote mine this on one of his propaganda pages.

[Edited post. Now final at 7.20 pm.]
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YEC Bob Sorensen - ignorant propaganda merchant

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:38 am

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2016/08 ... ution.html
?

No - in fact I'm mainly addressing THIS piece:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/01 ... saurs.html

Job 41:31 (NIV) reads "It [Leviathan] makes the depths churn like a boiling cauldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment".
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+41
(The chapter suggests that Leviathan is a strong, armour-plated, aquatic creature with fearsome teeth and which lives wholly or partly in saltwater.)

But never mind the Bible - what does Sorensen want his readers to believe regarding Leviathan? Well, you can scarcely miss the title of the blog post - 'Behemoth and Leviathan — Bible Dinosaurs?' (YECs bang on about dinosaurs 'in' Job because they deny the reality that Earth is billions of years old and that dinosaurs went extinct around 65 million years ago.) And then Sorensen opines: "Two possible candidates for Leviathan's identity are the Sarcosuchus and the Parasaurolophus." Except that - as the linked CMI article helps makes clear Sarcosuchus was (it's long extinct) a monstrous armour plated crocodile-like creature. Not a dinosaur. And except as the linked article also makes clear, whilst CMI mention Parasaurolophus because an enquirer did so (Parasaurolophus is a long extinct terrestrial dinosaur and therefore nothing like what is described in Job 41) the article casts doubt on whether Leviathan could possibly have been such a creature (as once absurdly suggested by another YEC) and instead suggests "At CMI we think the most promising candidate for Leviathan is Sarcosuchus, a monstrous ‘armour-plated’ crocodile":
http://creation.com/was-leviathan-a-parasaurolophus

And again in this article which Sorensen also links to, CMI write "The best explanation seems to be that the Leviathan in Job was a giant crocodile known as Sarcosuchus, which grew to 11.2–12.2 metres and weighed up to 8 tonnes. This huge crocodile dwarfs today’s largest—the saltwater crocodile ...". (The slight problem being that Sarcosuchus has probably been extinct for around 112 million years.)
http://creation.com/leviathan-real-or-symbolic

So either Bob has not properly read all the propaganda articles his propaganda sites link to. Or he has but he does not know the difference between dinosaurs and crocodilians. Or he does but does not care about the multiple differences. Because he is obsessed with the idea of 'dinosaurs in the Bible' (ergo 'deep time is not real'). Even though dinosaurs were terrestrial creatures whereas Leviathan was (if you believe what is written in Job 41) aquatic. And even though the YECs at CMI think Leviathan was a crocodile and not any sort of dinosaur (AiG think Leviathan was some sort of sea creature: https://answersingenesis.org/kids/dinos ... than-live/)

Perhaps Bob will enlighten us?
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PS

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:59 am

Just went back to the Sorensen Leviathan post after seeing him link to it on his Facebook. At some point in the last few minutes - possibly before my post above appeared or simultaneously whether or not he has seen my post - he ALTERED its title to 'Leviathan and Body Armor'. He has also REMOVED all detailed references to Behemoth. Though the article still contains the garbage: "There are a couple of creatures that God discusses that many biblical creationists believe are dinosaurs, the behemoth and the leviathan" (this misrepresents biblical creationists). And he has now REMOVED the two CMI links - but added a THIRD one (as shown below):
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2016/08 ... m=facebook
http://creation.com/leviathan-body-armour (according to this recent Catchpoole article "Leading creationist authors have identified the fossil record’s giant crocodilian Sarcosuchus imperator (commonly called ‘SuperCroc’) as a likely candidate for Job 41’s Leviathan")

Again, perhaps Bob will enlighten us (if he can and if he dares)?

What is he playing at?!


CORRECTION at 2.05 pm:
THIS is the new post (which has apparently NOT been altered). But he linked to (without correcting) the 2015 one and that is what I critiqued believing it to be a new post (wonder if I critiqued it back in 2015 :) :
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2016/08 ... m=facebook
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/01 ... saurs.html
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Evil young earth creationist

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:10 pm

Sorensen hates me so much that even he prefers continuing to MISREPRESENT other YECs in order to falsely attack me. Rather than simply admit that he made a stupid mistake and then quietly correct the mistake (but thereby confirm that I was completely correct in my two preceding posts)!

(And he hates some other people too. Quite a lot of people.)

https://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/
"Although I shouldn't give those who crave attention that they desire to bolster their egos, Haywire the Stalker has been making a fool of himself for years with defamation and blatant untruths [LIAR. PROVE IT.]. In a recent rant about my stupidity, dishonesty, and denying what he considers "facts" in his incoherent worldview, (he focuses mainly on my introductions to linked articles and splits hairs to manufacture things to fuss about) [LIAR], he railed on a post about Leviathan in Job 41:1-34. I allegedly made substantial changes, including the title and significant amounts of the content (as if I had no right to do so with my own post). At the end of his substantial hate-driven foolishness, he added a small admission that I did not make the changes, he was looking at the wrong post [THIS IS DELIBERATE MISDIRECTION - HE'S ATTACKING ME FOR BRIEFLY MAKING AN HONEST MISTAKE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME TOTALLY FAILING TO ENGAGE WITH MY ACTUAL POINT ABOUT HIS FICTITIOUS BLOG STATEMENT LAST WEEK (ECHOING THAT OF 2015) THAT 'MANY' BIBLICAL CREATIONISTS (HE DOES NOT NAME A SINGLE ONE) THINK THAT LEVIATHAN WAS A 'DINOSAUR']. To borrow a quote from Dr. James White, "He doesn't experience reality in the same realm as the rest of us". [LIAR - THE REALITY DENIER IS THE PERSON I AM EXPOSING HERE, IT'S NOT ME.] You can see the libelous nonsense here, with the continuation and confession here. Desperate to hate much, Buttercup?"

I have just sent a wide circulation email exposing this hypocrite one more time. It reads as follows:

"YEC Cowboy Bob Sorensen - endless Evil, endless Hate.
Please compare and contrast:

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=660 (my two posts dated 27 August)
The truth.

https://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/
The hypocritical lying and mudslinging.

Creation Ministries International. I pointed out on 27 August that Sorensen is MISREPRESENTING you regarding 'Leviathan' in Job 41. CMI does NOT believe that Leviathan was a 'dinosaur'. But Sorensen REFUSES to correct this error. He has seen the truth but instead he continues to LIE. His blog post of 25 August still links to CMI material (as did his previous post that he referenced) yet he is still fictitiously claiming "There are a couple of creatures that God discusses that many biblical creationists believe are dinosaurs, the behemoth and the leviathan".

Why does CMI tolerate this evil and hateful person? I contend that he is doing enormous damage to (real) Christianity with his pathological lying and utter refusal to correct those lies when they are pointed out (as I will continue to do because I consider that wilful liars are a plague on humanity).

How many lies and false accusations can you count at this new 'Stormbringer's Thunder' blog post? I counted four. Four huge whoppers.

Sorensen clearly must think his own readers are stupid and/or blinded with hate against me. So much that they would 'agree' that pointing out that crocodilians and dinosaurs are entirely different creatures is merely 'splitting hairs'! In my past experience of them, Sorensen is in fact correct on that particular point.

I would be grateful if CMI colleagues could also bring this to the attention of Tas Walker (he asked not to be copied in but this email is all about Sorensen misrepresenting CMI in the process of churning out his almost daily fictitious propaganda)."

Creation Ministries International do NOT believe that Leviathan in Job 41 was a 'dinosaur'. That is a FACT. And therefore something to be lied about by Bob because he is an unteachable arrogant delusional bigot who hates 'atheists' so much that he has decided that even when they speak the truth they must be labelled online as 'stupid', 'hateful' and 'mentally ill' - rather than factually correct (when they are - as I certainly am here).
http://creation.com/leviathan-body-armour
http://creation.com/leviathan-real-or-symbolic
http://creation.com/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaur

Bob's own problem is 'ego' (and bigotry). Which have blinded him to both honesty and reality.
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Lying hating propaganda merchant

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:47 am

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen/
""No Worth to Atheists".
Some atheists and anti-creationists are so desperate to hate Christians and creationists that they suspend reason and morality for the purposes of ridicule."
[Links to his Stormbringer's Thunder post dated 27 August.]

A stupid dishonest bigoted fundamentalist would read the Sorensen nonsense about my words first. Then read my posts above (or not). And then 'see' what Sorensen is telling them to 'see'. Or assume he is telling the truth without even checking for themselves.

That would be YOU Johnny Cowart and Elaine Carter.

Whereas a normal rational unbiased person would read my words first. And then check whether Sorensen is telling the truth. Oops.

(I am aware that if I ignore Sorensen - who blocks ALL direct communications from me but views this page - he will have less opportunity to falsely rail ie propagandize against valid criticisms. However I am not going to let this Class Hypocrite off the hook unless and until he stops the pathological lying and attacks upon science and common sense.)
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Lying hating propaganda merchant

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:32 am

What's it like being you, Bob Crocodinosaur Sorensen?
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Evil and despicable

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:01 pm

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen/
Latest Sorensen nonsense (9 or 10 hours ago):
"You may want to see how Haywire went haywire. Lots of rant, but he fails to mention that I, a "proven" evil liar (by his logical standards of "because I said so"), included links to his previous rants. Here's the latest sound and fury, signifying nothing. Note that he is so vindictive, he wants to destroy my credibility with Creation Ministries International - I think he's jealous that they published an article of mine."

Lots of hot air.

And NO engaging with the simple REALITY that CMI do NOT think 'Leviathan' was a 'dinosaur' (they are not insane) yet Sorensen REFUSES to amend his blog and instead launches character attacks because I dare to correct his stupidity and falsehoods in public (because almost all Christians turn a blind eye to his lying). He is now guilty of a deliberate falsehood and deliberate misrepresentation - for his warped, fact-free, creationist agenda. Note that neither of his Piltdown Superman blog posts even mentions the word 'crocodile' (within Sorensen's own words) even though only an insane person wishing to confuse others would read Job 41 and think it is talking about a 'dinosaur'. Yes, there is a drawing of a crocodile. So what? He FAILS to explain that a crocodile (eg sarcosuchus which is illustrated but otherwise ignored in his discussion) is not 'some sort of dinosaur'. Like most YECs, this person is fanatical about 'dinosaurs in the Bible'. He mentions 'sarcosuchus' (an extinct crocodilian) - and then fails to tell us ANYTHING about it. Because he is obsessed with 'dinosaurs'. And rejects uniformitarianism in science. "Here are two candidates for dinosaurs in the Bible." No. No. No. Unless you are insane (and/or want twist the Bible for a personal agenda).

And Veritas Domain - KINDLY read my comments about Johnny and Elaine above. They apply to you as well you moron.

As well as misrepresenting CMI, the endlessly evasive and dishonest Bob Crocodinosaur Sorensen is misrepresenting the Bible. So much for 'biblical' creationism!

And the hypocrite Sorensen is very vindictive as well as a pathological liar and clearly a false 'Christian':
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
"Y'all may recollect that I've said how atheists and other anti-creationists are becoming more shrill and resort to increasing levels of vituperation because the evidence against evolution and supporting special creation is increasing. (Their father down below knows his time is short, so he's pulling their strings to have them on the attack more frequently and more intensely.) Here is something from a few years ago when Haywire the Stalker was able to be more civil. This is before CMI put him on their banned mail list. Bless his heart.
CMI’s Dr Tas Walker and Dr Don Batten answer questions about whether soft-bodied fossils are viable in the global Flood, and how plants survived the Flood.
Ashley H.-R., a vociferous critic from the United Kingdom, writes:
Find out what Haywire wrote and the response here:
http://creation.com/fossils-plant-survival-flood" (5 hours ago)

Poisoning the well eh, Bob? Changing the subject eh, Bob? You are a FRAUD.

My next post will flag my response to that CMI post at the time. I suggest your 'fans' take a look. If they are honest that is.

SOME people are going to see THROUGH your antics. Though not - so far - this bunch of morons it would seem: Christopher Lovering, Joel Baldwin, Bradley Odom, Robin Seeber, Lindsay Jackel, Margaret Ohlwine, David Triplett, Bill Barnes, Michael Penman and Oliver Tarrayo.

Sorensen fans/followers. The man is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. Material on this site is the proof of that. Dare you accept that reality? Follow Jesus - not Bob.

Sorensen - libel me all you like. I am NOT going away.

I have respect for real Christians. I have never had any respect for you.
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Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:59 pm

If interested, pl see my posts of 9 July 2011:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2652&hilit=vociferous&start=75

Care to discuss, Bob?
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Bigot Bob

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:07 pm

"Care to discuss Bob?"

NO - I didn't think so. You NEVER discuss valid criticism of your blog claims. Instead you have decided that 'atheists' are wrong even when they are right - and that you are right even when you are wrong. You are a disgusting fraud and bigot. And Creation Ministries International appear to tolerate your behaviour - even turning a blind eye to you writing blogs implying wrongly that they think - bizarrely - that Leviathan in Job 41 was some sort of 'dinosaur' (or if by chance they have objected you are still stubbornly refusing to correct your recent blogs).

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/
"From the "How Dumb Can You Get" Department. (Yeah, I shouldn't say that, some people take it as a challenge.) An atheopathic anti-creationist defames one creationist to another and says the first creationist is harming the gospel. What transparent foolishness! The liar won't fool intelligent people with that; he WANTS the gospel and the creation message harmed.
-CBB" (on 31 August)

Sorensen is harming the gospel by his pathological lying (repeatedly exposed on this forum over a period of years), his refusal ever to rationally address valid criticisms of false and questionable claims on his blog (instead he resorts to libel and endless evasions and diversions), and now his refusal to correct the false statement "there are a couple of creatures that God discusses that many biblical creationists believe are dinosaurs, the behemoth and the leviathan" even though that statement clearly misrepresents articles by Creation Ministries International and also misleads readers of Bob's blog (unless they are less stupid than I give them credit for).
And I am NOT a 'liar'. Bob has NEVER EVER shown that I am a 'liar'. Even if he had never lied previously ha ha he is now lying today by calling me a 'liar' simply for pointing out publicly that his statement on his blog "there are a couple of creatures that God discusses that many biblical creationists believe are dinosaurs, the behemoth and the leviathan" - which he is REFUSING to change - is simply FALSE (even if Sorensen himself insanely believes that the aquatic crocodilian described in Job 41 'must' be a 'dinosaur'). YECs claim that behemoth was a 'dinosaur'. And they say that leviathan was some kind of crocodile. Crocodiles are NOT 'dinosaurs', Bob. Even in your universe.
Bob IS a liar. An incurably unrepentant liar.
I have demonstrated that MANY times on this forum.
If I wanted the gospel harmed, surely I would be applauding Bob's efforts in that regard?
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Challenging Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:19 pm

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+41

Bob. Please tell us on your blog or facebook what sort of animal you think this chapter is discussing. I think it is some sort of crocodile. Do you agree? If not, please tell us why not.
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Challenging Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:56 pm

PS I believe that in a past book Ken Ham opined that leviathan as in Job 41 is a pliosaur (pliosaurs were not dinosaurs or 'terrible lizards' strictly speaking) known as kronosaurus (extinct for more than 65 million years). But the description sounds like a crocodile - and some crocodiles alive today venture into saltwater as well as freshwater.

But what is Bob's own opinion on Job 41? I am sure am not the only person who would like to know.
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