YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

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Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:30 am

More YEC QED garbage:
http://radaractive.blogspot.co.uk/2013/ ... -here.html

I don't know who this blogger is but he is a right-wing Jonathan Sarfati disciple:
http://radaractive.blogspot.co.uk/2011/ ... athan.html
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby theealex » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:44 am

A couple of years ago, if you googled 'Bob Sorensen' all you got were links to a high school sports coach and a few other non-Creationist Bobs. Now there are loads of links to articles, blog posts, and messageboards which all discuss how dishonest and utterly blind to reality Bob 'Stormbringer' Sorensen is.

I wonder how Bobby feels about that? As his 'fame' has grown all that has happened is that non-believers have become aware of his reputation for dishonesty and his obsession with control, yet at the same time he has remained nothing but a tiny footnote in Christian circles. He's 'internet famous', but with the wrong crowd (as far as he would measure it).

It's only going to get worse, and I believe he knows it, as his increasingly censorious and bullying behaviour attests. When Creationists have to resort to attempting to silence their critics with bogus DMCA claims they effectively admit that they've nothing left that can rationally counter the criticisms.

Bob is past that tipping point, and his exceedingly poor reputation has reached a stage where the ever growing negative impression people have of him cannot be reversed.
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Sorensen. And that Olympics leaflet

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:35 am

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2013/02 ... ctims.html

I have raised scientific topics when contacting Bob Sorensen or commenting here about his online blogs and so forth. All I have had in return is name-calling, instant claims that I am 'stalking' and posting 'spam', and - unsupported - allegations that I have 'lied'.

Thus, although doubtless some people do respond to the deeply provocative and propagandist nature of Bob's blog posts by railing against strawmen or attacking character flaws, even when people try to challenge his inaccurate scientific pronouncements he responds with false allegations (and censorship should they dare post a challenge to his hyper anti-evolutionism on his Facebook page).

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2013/02 ... rn-us.html (includes a horsemeat joke showing that Bob does have a sense of humour)
http://crev.info/2013/01/scientocracy-is-coming/
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... power.html
The place where this approach as outlined by Brooks is most needed is probably the USA.

When I contacted Brooks about the AiG Olympics creationism leaflet given to his son last summer he did not give me the time of day.

I believe that the text of 'Big Ben-Time' MAY now be readable at this pdf (but I am having trouble with pdfs at present). Perhaps someone else can confirm whether the text of the leaflet is here. I think the text includes the sentence "Everyone who comes to London to attend the Olympics will ultimately visit the Clock Tower of the Palace of Westminster".
http://www.answersingenesis.org/go/bigbentime
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:05 am

If you go HERE: http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=l ... 66&bih=599
and click on Quick View, and leaflet comes up onto my screen!

I will post brief comments on it in the Ken Ham thread.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby Peter Henderson » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:10 am

I believe that the text of 'Big Ben-Time' MAY now be readable at this pdf (but I am having trouble with pdfs at present). Perhaps someone else can confirm whether the text of the leaflet is here. I think the text includes the sentence "Everyone who comes to London to attend the Olympics will ultimately visit the Clock Tower of the Palace of Westminster".http://www.answersingenesis.org/go/bigbentime


Maybe you need to update your reader Ashley ?

I've read through the leaflet and it's definitely a YEC document, despite being told otherwise by someone supposedly representing AiG when I made the point on Premier that AiG were redefining what it means to be saved. It provoked a response from Ham on his Facebook page.

Why this lot were in charge of the "London Olympic outreach" is beyond me.

Shame on the Evangelical Alliance for allowing this situation to develop.
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Big Ben-Time

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:15 am

"It's definitely a YEC document".

I'm afraid that I have just reached a rather different conclusion (on the other thread), Peter. It does mention the Flood and so forth - but that IS in the Bible.

Open to other views (from those otherwise engaged this evening)!
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:56 pm

This is propaganda. Not science. How it is written gives the game away.
http://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/2 ... ution.html
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Jason Petersen blog comments

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:25 pm

I have attempted to post a rebuttal of the nonsense recently posted under this blog post by one Jesse Morton. But I expect my post will be censored for being too 'emotional' or some other drivel (or possibly allowed but attacked): http://answersforhope.com/my-contributi ... omment-152

This is my attempted comment:
"Jesse Morton
Since Lucy IS a transitional fossil, and certainly NOT a 'fraud', you appear either ignorant or to be wanting ignorance to be spread (probably the former).
I expect Jason will censor this correction of your claim. He seems keen for young Earth creationists to be kept in the dark - lest any facts might disturb their YEC faith or else their uncritical trust of YEC spokespeople.
Creation science is APOLOGETICS.
Ashley"
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Jason Petersen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:59 pm

http://answersforhope.com/my-contributi ... -creation/

My would-be comment still 'awaits moderation'.

The only Lucy 'fraud' is the one at the Creation Museum.
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Radar Active - another YEC propaganda merchant

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:42 pm

http://radaractive.blogspot.co.uk/2013/ ... ences.html
'Question Evolution Day Worked!!! Evidences for a Young Universe.'
The poor man seems to have forgotten his title! What about those evidences for a Young Universe he promised? Ah yes, here it is: "For instance, the more we learn about the Solar System, the more we see that it is young!".
Well, it looks like I'll have to search his other posts for that pesky evidence of youthfulness (in our solar system - odd that it should be just 6,000 years' old if the rest of the universe has been around in some form for billions of years).

NICE music though (on the 'Uncle Pilty' video).

Meanwhile Cowboy Bob is falsely charging scientists with behaving like YOUNG EARTH CREATIONISTS:
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2013/02 ... solar.html
"Purveyors of evolutionism believe in their fatally flawed hypothesis despite the evidence, not because of evidence."

"People need to put aside the propaganda and honestly look at the evidence." Indeed.

Bob should PRACTISE what he preaches. Scientific evidence is discussed on this community forum! But Bob shuns interactive community forums such as this and has called the BCSE community forum a 'cesspool of hate'. See his comment at 9.56 pm on 31 January under this recent blog post:
http://answersforhope.com/online-atheis ... ou-part-2/

I suspect that Bob hates being shown to misrepresent science and to make false accusations against those who criticise his claims. :)
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Jason Petersen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:16 pm

http://answersforhope.com/my-contributi ... -creation/
YEP, when I looked just now my attempted comment (and a 'reminder') were not visible, suggesting that YEC censorship of criticism and protection of ignorance reigns...

I still think Jesse Morton needs to be informed that he is wrong about 'Lucy'. Thus I will try to comment AGAIN, as follows:
"Jesse Morton - your claim that 'Lucy' ie one particular fossil of the Australopithecus afarensis species is a 'fraud' is utterly wrong. If it was a fraud, why would it appear at the Creation Museum - where it is depicted not as a bipedal hominid, as suggested by the available evidence, but as a knuckle-walking gorilla-like creature?'".

If Jason censors that as well it would prove that his behaviour in how he moderates comments is indefensible.

PS Just looked again after posting the above, less 'emotional' version, and the two unmoderated comments ARE visible again ... it's hard to keep up sometimes.
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Proof that a YEC prefers falsehood to the truth

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:35 am

Jason Petersen!

As I can no longer see any of my posts that were 'awaiting moderation' I have just posted the following under Petersen's latest blog post:


"Jason

Your continued censorship even of my last post (which you could have allowed whilst rejecting the others) PROVES that you have NO interest in FACTS and instead wish Jesse to remain in IGNORANCE and think (assuming he was not lying) that 'Lucy' is some sort of fraud (absurdly named by him alongside the hoaxes/mistakes of Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man).

This is what I wrote:
"Jesse Morton - your claim that 'Lucy' ie one particular fossil of the Australopithecus afarensis species is a 'fraud' is utterly wrong. If it was a fraud, why would it appear at the Creation Museum - where it is depicted not as a bipedal hominid, as suggested by the available evidence, but as a knuckle-walking gorilla-like creature?'".

If you disagree, why not publish my comment and then do so in reply - instead of censoring the truth about Australopithecus afarensis being a GENUINE fossil of an extinct creature? What are you afraid of?!

I am posting this onto the BCSE community forum.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3153&start=150

Should you decide that your tactics are not doing you any good, and should you have a change of heart and sensibly decide to allow my third post (please let me know if you need me to insert it here again - my email is [details supplied]) I will OF COURSE acknowledge this on the BCSE community forum.

You need not allow THIS comment! Simply allow my LAST one - since it is not only factually true but it is also correcting a grievous error by one of your followers who thinks 'Lucy' is some sort of 'fraud'.

Creationists need to try and disprove evolution with FACTS.

Ashley"
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Re: Jason Petersen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:55 am

It's weird. When I first go to the blog, my would-be comments - previously visible on my screen - are now invisible. But when I post a new would-be comment the former, unmoderated, comments reappear!

Please will Mr Petersen TELL me what he is going to do with my THIRD comment.

He HAS my email address, so there is NO excuse for continued silence on his part.

If he is going to reject ALL my comments he should have the courage to inform me (giving a reason - in confidence if he wishes) and not simply keep me in the dark by pretending that he has not reached a decision yet (unless he genuinely hasn't despite my attempted comments no longer appearing on my screen).

(Of course he could take the easy way out and forbid all comments under his blog - like the cowardly Sorensen. At least Sorensen doesn't pretend to want to allow free speech and polite disagreement - it's obvious that he doesn't tolerate those things in his part of the internet.)
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Re: Jason Petersen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:59 am

Perhaps I should have called the Lucy species a hominin rather than a hominid.
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