YEC Bob Sorensen - compulsive liar exposed

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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby Peter Henderson » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:40 pm

Not sure if you can see this Ashley, but Bob doesn't seem to realise Christmas is a Pagan festival:

https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Super ... =1&theater

New entry from the Irony Board. Anti-creationist bigotry in action. They want to celebrate Christmas, but deny Christ, the Creator, and hate those of us who proclaim the Creator and show evidence for biblical creation science. Amazing.


He's taken a screenshot of Cathy's post wishing everyone a happy Christmas and a creationist free New year:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3600

Some comments:

Renee Raven Allen Well in keeping with the "appreciating the thorns in my life"... I appreciate atheists because if it wasn't for atheists creation science would have stalled . Atheists - as annoying as they are - provide a good service by pushing as all to research and study the truth and freeing us and others from their lies and deception. So I wish them Merry Christ-mas and creationists new year!


The Question Evolution Project Her wish will not come true. Oh, what a shame!

~Jason


Harold Smith Other jerks have chimed in. That forum doesn't have much activity, just a few people acting like kids and thinking they're important. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3600


Luke Newport It shouldn't surprise anybody, evolutionists have no moral obligation to be rationally fair to anyone. After all, they see themselves as the highest form of intellectualism on the scale of "human evolution"; despite their failure to account for the preconditions of intelligibility in their religious mindset.


The Question Evolution Project Some evolutionists are like some liberal Christians, they believe evolution because that's all they've been exposed to. Hopefully, they'll realize there's another side to the story, and when they get the information that the anti-creationists don't want people to hear, they'll begin to question evolution and to think for themselves


Atheism on the Slide Fan Club I said this on another page, Atheists hate Christians, God, the Bible and all sorts of things. But they're happy to take off our holidays with pay. Hey, I don't care about working on days I don't believe in like Ramadan or Darwin's birthday. Put the atheists to work so they won't be such hypocrites about taking days off that they don't believe in.


Harold Smith Hitler Haywire Robbers attacked me in personal messages. What a self-absorbed pathetic little man.
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Evolution hater 'Harold Smith' from Sorensen's page

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:30 am

'Smith' is very cross - probably because I exposed him on the ICR facebook page as both an idiot and NOT really 'Harold Smith' despite what he shows on his facebook page - since, contrary to his wild claim when he said I needed counselling and said that he could refer to me a local specialist/psychiatrist, Harold Smith is a FICTIONAL head of a FICTIONAL Folcroft Sanatarium near New York.

It's OK for him to libel me falsely on a YEC facebook page where all dissenters are routinely banned, and call all of us 'jerks' on that same page - but when I tell him by facebook that he is a liar and that he agrees with a lying facebook page (see Bob's totally lying post of 19 Dec re my comments about a Ken Ham propaganda article), he throws a wobbly! He is the person behaving like a Nazi or a loyal member of the ruling party in North Korea.

His extreme nastiness can be viewed in full here. The man is either evil or mentally unbalanced or both:
https://www.facebook.com/messages/?acti ... 2010e40292 (first message was dated 3 Dec)

It would seem that Bob tolerates non-Christians on his facebook page - as long as they hate evolution and all those who think it might be a valid scientific theory. Interesting.


PS 23.20 pm GMT on 29 Dec.
Sorensen is claiming that the link can only be read by myself. On the off-chance that he is speaking the truth, here are the last two exchanges in the 'conversation' with 'Smith':
Me: "The person who behaves like a Nazi is you. The Nazis lied and lied again." (After 'Smith' called me 'Hitler Haywire Robbers' behind my back and in a place where I am not allowed to respond to his bile.)
Him: "I SAID STOP MESSAGING ME! You are a worthless lying scumbag piece of infected pus drops. You said that you won't keep sending your messages to people who don't want it and here you are shoving your infected pus in my face. You are a worthless excuse for a human being and a waste of space. You are indeed a lying Nazi and I see it all over the web. Get your head out of your ass and try to become something worthwhile. But no, you puke hate and lies. You are worse than worthless."

The liar in the conversation is the person alleging that the other person spreads 'lies' but absolutely cannot begin to prove his far-fetched allegation because it is fiction. When these people are exposed as the hypocrites they are they become ANGRY and INTIMIDATORY.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby Peter Henderson » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:27 am

Indeed Ashley they come over as nasty and clueless about science and Christianity.

When will they ever learn that science (including evolution) isn't Atheism any more than young Earth creationism is Christianity.

If ever there was a good justification for Atheism it's the likes of Sorenson and his followers.
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Anti-science bigot

Postby a_haworthroberts » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:31 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:Indeed Ashley they come over as nasty and clueless about science and Christianity.

When will they ever learn that science (including evolution) isn't Atheism any more than young Earth creationism is Christianity.

If ever there was a good justification for Atheism it's the likes of Sorenson and his followers.




http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2014/12 ... s-and.html
""Science" knows nothing." He has let the cat out the bag! Ken Ham and co would be mortified.
Scientists (real ones) know that Bob is talking garbage.

In case liar Bob did not read it the first time (but I am sure he did but then decided that "I must have been lying") here again is my rebuttal of that Coppedge piece he cites (and which the ex NASA scientist Coppedge has FAILED to reply to despite me emailing him thus demonstrating that he cannot deal with my argument but is not prepared to amend his blog):
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http://crev.info/2014/12/dinosaur-extinction-2/
"Evolutionary explanations for dinosaur extinction have evolved over the years from one consensus to another in a random walk. Impact craters are real, and lava flows are real, but the dates and associations with extinctions are flimsy. It’s all moot, anyway, now that soft tissue from multiple dinosaurs has been discovered throughout the past decade. A few dinosaurs survived the Flood, but were finished off as pests by dragon slayers like St. George. That explains the selective extinction (why would butterflies survive but not dinosaurs?) as well as the survival of the soft tissue; it’s not millions of years old."
Ah yes, the answer that eluded Ken Ham is that humans - worldwide apparently - killed hundreds of species of dinosaurs within the last 4,500 years, rendering them all extinct (despite God's apparent post-flood plans for that kind of animal revealed in Genesis) whilst the humans sensibly left the butterflies alone.
UTTER GARBAGE.
THIS PERSON USED TO WORK FOR NASA.

Coppedge blocks attempted comments by myself under his blogs. I am emailing him this link and also sending it to him via his website. He is free to respond either by email or here if he disagrees with me.

Dinosaur fossils are indeed many millions of years old and no humans ever slayed any of them - unless the YECs can prove otherwise?"

These people are frauds. They are 'never' wrong - even when proven to be wrong by those who profoundly disagree with them.


PS Here's ANOTHER example (Charlie Wolcott). On the facebook page of YEC Issac Bourne (see my separate post this evening), Wolcott wrote of myself overnight:
"For someone who claims to do this as his "intellectual exercise" I am rather....unimpressed."
He WOULD say that following our recent exchanges under some of his blog posts at Worldview Warriors where I fear he may have come off second best. However, he appears to have been stumped for any kind of response against my statements at this recent discussion (under a separate WW blog post):
http://worldviewwarriors.blogspot.co.uk ... ience.html
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 7177424342
YECs are people who refuse to learn any science theories that they disapprove of.


PPS Back to the Sorensen anti-science, anti-knowledge, anti-understanding hate page. Somebody there has asked: "And my question has been, If the dinosaurs went extinct, how did they evolve into anything, being dead?" And Sorensen's ordure in 'response' (which the imbecile asking the question has apparently accepted): "Whenever someone points out flaws in their reasoning, they come up with even worse excuses so they can cling to their statements. "How did dead dinosaurs evolve into birds?" ... "Well, uh, you see, here's my opinion and it's really scientific, so you'd better believe it..."".
NO BOB. The CORRECT answer - which YOU are fond of offering in OTHER contexts (or indeed DEVOID of context) - IS: "Birds ate dinosaurs - therefore birds already existed before the last of the dinosaurs they are descended from, over millions of years, went extinct".
Well to be fair, Bob's 'answer' was merely "birds ate dinosaurs". He apparently did NOT wish to continue as I do above.
http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2014/12 ... racks.html

These people are proud of their utter stupidity - which they seem to mistake for intelligence and logic inspired by scripture and by God - and their refusal ever to learn anything (except dogma and 'better' 'rebuttals').


Addendum: hate-motivated blogger and fraud Sorensen is trying to ignore my email of last night (not shown here). The copy recipients will note that he does not want to incriminate himself - by honestly answering all my questions about his false claims of 19 Dec reported here late on 23 Dec and early on 24 Dec.
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Proven Liar in the gutter Sorensen LIES AGAIN

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:11 pm

https://www.facebook.com/EvolutionIsALie
"He is a criminal stalker and has been badgering me for years. Although he fancies himself a genius, I have publicly schooled him in his terrible logic, and all he can do is call anyone he disagrees with a liar. (Apparently, on his planet, if you don't accept evolution and present evidence against it, you're a liar. If you have a different opinion on the interpretation of the facts, you'/re a liar. Also, if you require evidence that someone has actually lied, you're a liar. Calling other people a liar without giving reasonable evidence for it makes HIM the liar.) This self-proclaimed genius and guardian of "science" (that is, protecting evolutionism) knows full well that I have blocked him from my e-mail, yet insists on including me on his spam list anyway.
Jason Petersen challenged him to a debate, but he turned tail and ran from that.
As for sending trolls, I don't know. He's not anywhere near as important as he thinks he is, even on that Forum of Obscurity. All of his ranting and spamming is all about his ego and attempts to make himself look important, nothing more. -CBB".

Sorensen's claims about 'bad logic' (on my part) are pure fiction and a dishonest diversionary tactic from this serial bigot and liar (and pretend Christian who seems to think he is indispensable to God). Sorensen is not a liar because he is a creationist - he is a liar because he LIES. ALL THE TIME. He clearly CANNOT tell the truth. Ever. He is also motivated by hate. I have provided YEARS of 'reasonable' and compelling evidence (here and via email) that Bob has LIED. He is LYING - again - by alleging that I haven't. Stinking hypocrite and fraud. Thus his 'science' claims and science denials are false too! Everything about Sorensen is utterly false and hypocritical.

SORENSEN - YOU HAVE ALREADY PROVEN YOURSELF A LIAR. BY REFUSING TO ANSWER MY EMAILED QUESTIONS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR LIES OF 19 DEC ABOUT WHAT I WROTE REGARDING KEN HAM:
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viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2967&start=1605
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153&start=585
Which are my 'Ad Hominems' Bob?
Which was my 'blatant misrepresentation', Bob?
How was my theology faulty, Bob, since I simply quoted a scripture which appears to totally falsify what your hero was claiming in his blog?
Please show us how I have 'failed' to show that both you and Ken Ham make untruthful statements online ie they 'lie';
In what way did I show myself a 'fool'? Was it because I disagreed with Mr Ham? Or was it because I showed some of his blog statements and other recent claims to be false and highly misleading (and unbiblical)? Do tell, Bob;
Please show us how my post dated 19 Dec which you attacked in your usual cowardly fashion (because you crave a following of like-minded bigots and fools on facebook) did 'not' use science? Are you claiming there was no science or that the scientific arguments I used were poor in some unspecified way. Do explain - lest you be judged a liar if you fail to respond.
Please show us all how I failed to 'think logically''
Please show us all how you DO 'think logically'. Is it because you insist that you do and that I do 'not'? Is that it?
Do you crave attention or are you really a shrinking violet who would rather not be noticed on the internet?"

THE REASON WHY BOB REFUSES TO ANSWER IS THAT HE WOULD INCRIMINATE HIMSELF AS A LIAR IF HE DID. (AS EVERY COPY RECIPIENT OF MY EMAIL WILL DOUBTLESS CONCLUDE.)

And Bob thinks I must have an 'ego' problem. Well, it takes one to know one (in his case one who tries to get himself onto 'Christian' radio shows in the US and writes about three different blogs - where all comments are verboten).


PS Jason Petersen ran away from THIS community forum, Bob. REMEMBER?

PPS The evil hypocrite Sorensen is now whining on the Bourne facebook page:
"Uh, refusing to answer e-mail does not prove anyone is a liar. Especially when the sender *knows* that he is blocked."
But THIS is what has happened here. Sorensen LIED about my words on his hate-filled facebook page on 19 Dec (details posted in this thread). He then whines on his closed facebook page when I call him out on his Lying for 'Jesus' by email and on this community forum. IF he is blocking my emails (I am not convinced because he answered one of them with a false allegation recently) that is HIS problem and NOT mine. A criminal cannot escape jail by refusing to have any contact with law enforcers! You simply cannot kill the truth by hiding and blocking. Much as people like 'Cowboy Bob' would love to be able to do.
Besides my questions of 24 Dec are shown above - so Bob has SEEN them. But he is AFRAID to respond. If he did he would reveal to the world - and the lying idiot Bourne - the stinking hypocrite and serial liar that he truly is a. A disgrace to humanity - and very dangerous to Christianity as well.
IF SORENSEN WAS SINCERE AND WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AND REALLY WAS A CHRISTIAN, HE COULD AND HE WOULD ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. BUT HE CANNOT AND WILL NOT BECAUSE HE ISN'T - HE IS A STINKING EVIL, LYING, FRAUD MOTIVATED BY HATE. As I have exposed here many times - which is why he hates me and gangs up with lowlife like Bourne. Sorensen and his ilk richly deserve what they get - public exposure as bigots, liars, hypocrites, fools and charlatans who spout nonsense to like-minded liars and fools (some of whom admit to me when challenged that they are not even claiming to be Christian just anti-evolution).

Wide-circulation email, with Sorensen and Bourne included, just sent - linking to both threads (on Sorensen and on Bourne).
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:45 pm

Can anyone guess why I oppose Sorensen?
http://biblicalcreationandevangelism.blogspot.co.uk/
Sorensen is a daily online purveyor of made-up or unsupported allegations. And outright lies. His Bible has Revelation 21 verse 8b crossed out (or at least he does not pay any attention to it whatsoever). Lies here include that opponents of Sorensen's rants are 'not' protecting science and that people like me rely on 'emotionalism' and fail to use 'reason' (unlike him of course!) And if science was about evidence and logic (it is about such things Bob) everyone would be a creationist - like him. The man is the worst lying Christian I have ever encountered. No wonder he won't do debates!

Of course Sorensen will pretend that I am 'lying' about his unChristian behaviour and will acccuse me of poor logic and 'misrepresentation' (things he has been trying to prove against me for over four years now). And of course he will cite this as 'persecution' and perhaps 'violence' - doubtless he must be doing the Will of God with all these attacks.

Or then again.

As for the remainder of the post - TLDR.
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Tales about dinosaur tails - allegedly

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:18 pm

Email as sent to Sorensen and several other interested parties (non-YEC Christians):

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http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/01 ... saurs.html

NO - I don't THINK so, Bob (though I haven't read the - limited - comments about Leviathan nor closely studied this link: http://creation.com/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaur).

https://bibleandscienceforum.wordpress. ... -dinosaur/

Where does the Bible say that behemoth had a tail "like a cedar" Bob, CMI and WhyOutreach? Where exactly does Job 40 refer to behemoth's 'amazing size', Bob? On what grounds are you apparently insisting that behemoth could not possibly have been an elephant Bob. CMI and WhyOutreach - and had instead to be something (now) extinct? Why and how exactly does an elephant not fit the description 'adequately', Bob and CMI? What sort of dinosaur wallowed in water in the Middle East within the last 10.000 years and was able to 'hide' among reeds, Bob, CMI and WhyOutreach? Why are CMI - and by extension Bob - misquoting and misrepresenting Job 40:17 and falsely claiming that behemoth's tail was being compared to a cedar tree because of its 'great size' when the verse is clearly referring to the tail's MOVEMENT? Might an elephant's tail - or its trunk - possibly sway from side to side like the main branches of a cedar tree might in strong winds?
http://biblia.com/bible/hcsb/Job%2040.15-24
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+40

SILENCE.

This silence will be from a Bob who claims to display superior logic to his critics."
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby Peter Henderson » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:14 pm

Bob confusing Atheism with science, along with another "cowboy" :

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/02 ... m=facebook

atheists hate Question Evolution Day because it prompts people to think for themselves.


Indeed Bob. Hardly:

https://answersingenesis.org/about/faith/

•By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.
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Four years of online stupidity

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:17 pm

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YEC Liar Bob Sorensen

Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:30 pm

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/02 ... oblem.html
This is pure lying propaganda against Bill Nye and serious scientists and fans of science, and should be treated with the contempt it deserves. (And yes, if you ask me to Bob I WILL elaborate.)

Liar Sorensen also references the recent blog by Liar Wile re Nye's book. Sorry Bob but I posted a rebuttal there of SOME of Wile's claims in his 12 page pdf. And instead of dealing with my points, Wile CENSORED them without any explanation (just like you do when you cannot deal with counter arguments to your propaganda). However, my rebuttal CAN be read here (and I strongly suspect that you have SEEN it but choose to pretend otherwise because you are an angry lying fraud):
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3618 (post at 22.50 pm on 1 Feb)

Sorensen has utter contempt for thinking people. Whereas blinkered fools who like his blog rants come away from them wrongly believing that THEY (and Sorensen) are the 'critical thinkers'. No - he simply spouts false propaganda and behaves hypocritically by behaving exactly in the manner that he accuses his many opponents of.

Nye is not infallible but he HAS damaged young Earth creationism - and the YECs DON'T like it.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby Peter Henderson » Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:22 am

Is Sorensen an anti vaxxer Ashley ?

The two seem to go hand in hand.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:48 am

Peter Henderson wrote:Is Sorensen an anti vaxxer Ashley ?

The two seem to go hand in hand.



I don't recall reading anything by him saying that he is. (I'd rather have a 3% chance of protection against H3N2 influenza than none at all.) Nye's book may discuss vaccines - and YECs love to insist that a mutating flu virus is nothing to do with 'evolution'.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby Peter Henderson » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:50 pm

Nye is not infallible but he HAS damaged young Earth creationism - and the YECs DON'T like it.


I agree Ashley.

The debate went well for Nye, and Ham just came across as being poor. Many of his arguments were plain silly and Nye did a good job of showing up the absurdity of YECism.

Even if Ham did profit financially, I'd guess Nye got at least some YECs thinking
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby Peter Henderson » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:53 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:
Peter Henderson wrote:Is Sorensen an anti vaxxer Ashley ?

The two seem to go hand in hand.



I don't recall reading anything by him saying that he is. (I'd rather have a 3% chance of protection against H3N2 influenza than none at all.) Nye's book may discuss vaccines - and YECs love to insist that a mutating flu virus is nothing to do with 'evolution'.


Yep, I haven't seen anything to indicate Sorenson is an anti vaxxer, but in my experience YECs tend to be against vaccination.

Also strongly anti abortion (under any circumstances) and AGW.
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Re: YEC Bob Sorensen - timeline

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:30 pm

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2015/02 ... ology.html
How many Noah's Floods are there in the Bible, idiot Sorensen?
How many Noah's Floods are there in the Bible, idiot Coppedge?
(And also Georgia Purdom who has also desperately latched onto this - because it is all these people have apart from made-up stuff that they pretend 'refutes' real refutations - which they censor or just ignore - of their nonsense.)

PS One of Sorensen's latest moronic Facebook utterances REALLY gives the game away re his true feelings and concerns about Bill Nye:
"Bill Nye is actually anti-science, as well as anti-logic, anti-Christ, anti-creation. Two big IFs: If there were flaws in biblical creation science, and IF he actually understood science himself, he might be a problem. Instead, he's a noisy bigot that is a hero to other bigots."
"Nye isn't a problem at all! It's just that I am EXTREMELY angry about him (perhaps that's because he presented a load of science to Ken Ham last February which the latter could not begin to refute). That's what I call a 'bigot' - someone who refutes my beliefs with science." (Rough paraphrase of Sorensen's ranting.)
https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman

And loudmouth Sorensen's shouting about 12 Feb and about 'Creation Sunday' is certainly louder than the 'screaming' he pretends to be hearing here:
http://biblicalcreationandevangelism.bl ... -anti.html
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