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Re: Edinburgh Creation Group resurfaces?

Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:47 am

cathy wrote:
Talking of Mr Statham, has everyone seen the two BCSE blogs for Monday?! Apparently he was invited to give another YEC talk at St Peter's School in Exeter. It seems there's a YEC RE teacher at the school


Starting to indoctrinate with her own personal beliefs rather than teach! :evil:

I know what would happen to us if brought so much negative publicity to our school and made it a laughing stock. Is the head a wimp.



I can't see any sign of a moan on the CMI website or facebook pages about Mr Statham not giving his talk at St Peter's on Tuesday. Perhaps they don't wish to mention publicly that when invited they would be prepared to flout government guidelines regarding teaching of creationism in schools.
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Postby a_haworthroberts » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:47 am

Sorry about the accidental duplicate posts!
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Re: Edinburgh Creation Group resurfaces?

Postby GordonH » Wed May 16, 2012 1:14 pm

Just a heads up that CMI is bringing a creationist day conference to Edinburgh in October, in association with the Edinburgh Creation Group.
Full details here:
http://www.ecalpemos.org/2012/05/creationist-roadshow-comes-to-edinburgh.html
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Re: Edinburgh Creation Group resurfaces?

Postby cathy » Wed May 16, 2012 3:15 pm

Just a heads up that CMI is bringing a creationist day conference to Edinburgh in October, in association with the Edinburgh Creation Group.
Full details here:
I see our Marc will be taking part, doing a talk on the biological evidence for creation. That should be short.

Still I'm sure he's delighted to be a speaker for such charming sponsors as CMI. In the last few weeks alone they've enchanted us all with several hate and bile filled rants about the moral degradation of those of us accepting the theory of evolution. A glowing advert for christianity they are not. Why just today I've realised we're totally in favour of eugenics and in recent weeks have been shamed to hear that we are also complicit in racism, the crimes of the nazis and Anders Breivik. Oh and gay rape and baby killing also seems to be an inevitable consequence of acceptance of the fossil record.

Still it'll be nice for Marc to catch up with CMIs charming employees Bell and Statham to slag off and slander all the moral bankrupts in the world. And moan about why such vile claims aren't being allowed into the nations schools. My evolution accepting friend who works her butt off in a special care baby unit was thrilled to hear what that she was really a baby butchering nazi by the way, I can't really print her response:evil:

Also attending is the delightful Paul James Griffiths whose talk on the fruits of evolution was so offensive and insane it even seems to have been removed from the ECG site. A feat indded. However stiil available in all its hate filled, propaganda ridden glory on you tube.

So the quesion on my lips is will Marc will ponder on the 'christian' credentials of those running this and pull out rather than mix with such unpleasant people? Or will he just think you can't choose your friends. Oops sorry, its your family you can't choose.
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Re: Edinburgh Creation Group resurfaces?

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed May 16, 2012 3:28 pm

cathy wrote:So the quesion on my lips is will Marc will ponder on the 'christian' credentials of those running this and pull out rather than mix with such unpleasant people? Or will he just think you can't choose your friends. Oops sorry, its your family you can't choose.
Yes. Despite all, the creationists can't opt out of being apes.
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Re: Edinburgh Creation Group resurfaces?

Postby Roger Stanyard » Wed May 16, 2012 5:50 pm

cathy wrote:
Just a heads up that CMI is bringing a creationist day conference to Edinburgh in October, in association with the Edinburgh Creation Group.
Full details here:
I see our Marc will be taking part, doing a talk on the biological evidence for creation. That should be short.

Still I'm sure he's delighted to be a speaker for such charming sponsors as CMI. In the last few weeks alone they've enchanted us all with several hate and bile filled rants about the moral degradation of those of us accepting the theory of evolution. A glowing advert for christianity they are not. Why just today I've realised we're totally in favour of eugenics and in recent weeks have been shamed to hear that we are also complicit in racism, the crimes of the nazis and Anders Breivik. Oh and gay rape and baby killing also seems to be an inevitable consequence of acceptance of the fossil record.

Still it'll be nice for Marc to catch up with CMIs charming employees Bell and Statham to slag off and slander all the moral bankrupts in the world. And moan about why such vile claims aren't being allowed into the nations schools. My evolution accepting friend who works her butt off in a special care baby unit was thrilled to hear what that she was really a baby butchering nazi by the way, I can't really print her response:evil:

Also attending is the delightful Paul James Griffiths whose talk on the fruits of evolution was so offensive and insane it even seems to have been removed from the ECG site. A feat indded. However stiil available in all its hate filled, propaganda ridden glory on you tube.

So the quesion on my lips is will Marc will ponder on the 'christian' credentials of those running this and pull out rather than mix with such unpleasant people? Or will he just think you can't choose your friends. Oops sorry, its your family you can't choose.


It's just a variation on racism, Cathy. A group of non-entity bully boys setting themselves up as superiors and demonizing those that are not in their group. A tired old piece of nastiness at its worst.

The message from them is quite simple. Unless we submit to their opinions we are unaware of the difference between right and wrong, are incapable of not being the worst form of criminal and are so stupid we unaware that we are hardened criminals.

Pity the likes of Surtees and his nasty pals don't understand the ninth commandment.
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Re: Edinburgh Creation Group resurfaces?

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed May 16, 2012 8:19 pm

GordonH wrote:Just a heads up that CMI is bringing a creationist day conference to Edinburgh in October, in association with the Edinburgh Creation Group.
Full details here:
http://www.ecalpemos.org/2012/05/creationist-roadshow-comes-to-edinburgh.html



Gordon's blog of 27 October 2010 is worth reading (if you are a YEC or are not a YEC).
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Re: Edinburgh Creation Group resurfaces?

Postby cathy » Wed May 16, 2012 8:50 pm

Gordon's blog of 27 October 2010 is worth reading (if you are a YEC or are not a YEC).
The why creationism is bad for christianity open letter to the edinburgh creationists one? It is very good indeed.

So blogs pointing out the negative effects of creationism on christian belief appear almost daily now! And everywhere you look there is growing evidence that creationism leads to atheism in any thinking individual - yet creationists ignore it completely. Maybe, as one of the comments suggested, they really are working for Richard Dawkins. How long can they continue to ignore things like Gordons open letter?
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Re: Edinburgh Creation Group resurfaces?

Postby a_haworthroberts » Wed May 16, 2012 9:23 pm

cathy wrote:
Gordon's blog of 27 October 2010 is worth reading (if you are a YEC or are not a YEC).
The why creationism is bad for christianity open letter to the edinburgh creationists one? It is very good indeed.

So blogs pointing out the negative effects of creationism on christian belief appear almost daily now! And everywhere you look there is growing evidence that creationism leads to atheism in any thinking individual - yet creationists ignore it completely. Maybe, as one of the comments suggested, they really are working for Richard Dawkins. How long can they continue to ignore things like Gordons open letter?



It didn't convince 'Colin' - see the comments underneath the 27.10.10 blog.
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Conference

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat May 18, 2013 10:30 pm

Someone happened to mention this. It appears to be YEC-free (in its speakers):
http://www.premier.org.uk/jesus
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Conference

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat May 18, 2013 10:51 pm

The person speaking on 'Science - Is it on the side of Christianity? ' appears to be an old Earth creationist:
http://www.reasons.org/about/who-we-are/fazale-rana
He does appear on occasions to have contributed articles to peer-reviewed journals.
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Re: Conference

Postby Brian Jordan » Sun May 19, 2013 10:26 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:The person speaking on 'Science - Is it on the side of Christianity? ' appears to be an old Earth creationist.
IDer as a minimum. He lectures for Biola - is that one where lecturers have to sign up to their statement of faith? It includes
Inadequate origin models hold that (a) God never directly intervened in creating nature and/or (b) humans share a common physical ancestry with earlier life forms [my emphasis].
Whether it's insistence on biblical inerrancy makes it YEC isn't made explicit http://www.biola.edu/about/doctrinal-statement/
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Re: Conference

Postby Peter Henderson » Sun May 19, 2013 4:34 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:The person speaking on 'Science - Is it on the side of Christianity? ' appears to be an old Earth creationist:
http://www.reasons.org/about/who-we-are/fazale-rana
He does appear on occasions to have contributed articles to peer-reviewed journals.


This is Hugh Ross's website, Reason's to Believe. Ross is an OEC/Progressive creationist.

Ham detests Ross virtually more than anyone else because of "millions of years"
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Conference

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sun May 26, 2013 11:08 pm

Talk by Fuz Rana (OEC) sounds like waffle and some faith-based rather than evidence-based or logic-based rubbish from this description: http://youthpastablog.wordpress.com/201 ... ence-2013/
He seems to take it on faith that because the universe appears fine-tuned for (rare) life therefore this was intentional and deliberate ie God created it. He may be right, he may be wrong.

Meanwhile, on the theme of Edinburgh, this church seems to be largely YEC in its leadership:
http://www.carrubbers.org/about/staff.php
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Re: Conference

Postby Roger Stanyard » Mon May 27, 2013 9:09 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:Talk by Fuz Rana (OEC) sounds like waffle and some faith-based rather than evidence-based or logic-based rubbish from this description: http://youthpastablog.wordpress.com/201 ... ence-2013/
He seems to take it on faith that because the universe appears fine-tuned for (rare) life therefore this was intentional and deliberate ie God created it. He may be right, he may be wrong.

Meanwhile, on the theme of Edinburgh, this church seems to be largely YEC in its leadership:
http://www.carrubbers.org/about/staff.php


Carrubbers has long been a fundamentalist, creationist church. We've had it on the radar for years.
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