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Atheist doom and gloom merchants proved wrong.

Postby Peter Henderson » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:20 pm

Seemingly, Ham now has enough money to proceed with the Ark Encounter project:

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/ ... ck_check=1

From AiG:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... g-succeeds
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Re: Atheist doom and gloom merchants proved wrong.

Postby Roger Stanyard » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:28 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:Seemingly, Ham now has enough money to proceed with the Ark Encounter project:

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/ ... ck_check=1

From AiG:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... g-succeeds


Now that is a really bad piece of news.
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Re: Atheist doom and gloom merchants proved wrong.

Postby Brian Jordan » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:57 pm

AiG wrote:The recent global media coverage of the Ark project and the soon-to-be-released film “Noah” starring Russell Crowe, plus Ham’s well-publicized February 4 debate with Bill Nye “The Science Guy” (over 7 million people watched live), have all helped bring the Ark Encounter to the world’s attention.
Thank you Bill Nye - the doomsayers were right: you should never have done it.
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Postby a_haworthroberts » Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:18 pm

Whilst Ken Ham (like Jonathan Sarfati) comes across as a highly vain Christian (as was the former minister of Westminster Chapel when I was in attendance up to 1995 come to that) I think Nye did a good job and this is probably an attempt to help people FORGET what happened to Ham on 4 February. (AiG also hate the Russell Crowe 'Noah' film.)

A Christian who thinks there are better priorities for Christians than Genesis theme parks for want of a better term:
http://www.godofevolution.com/what-ken- ... y-instead/

EDIT - just seen:
http://nation.time.com/2014/02/28/bill- ... noahs-ark/
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/28/k ... noahs-ark/
Even if Ham got funds and publicity from the debate, he STILL lost the argument (the actual debate TOPIC) on the night. He hopes people will forget - hence this daily drip drip of "we have Answers after all for all Nye's strawmannish arguments even though Ham did not produce them at the debate".

FURTHER EDIT:
http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... -business/
"Some bloggers are trying to claim that my recent debate with Bill Nye “the Science Guy” is what brought in the necessary bond amounts. Actually, that’s not true at all. The registration for bonds had already closed for people wanting to purchase them before the Nye debate."
Well I believe him, though thousands might not.
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Postby Brian Jordan » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:17 pm

a_haworthroberts wrote:FURTHER EDIT:
http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... -business/
"Some bloggers are trying to claim that my recent debate with Bill Nye “the Science Guy” is what brought in the necessary bond amounts. Actually, that’s not true at all. The registration for bonds had already closed for people wanting to purchase them before the Nye debate."
Well I believe him, though thousands might not.
So why did he say otherwise, as quoted above? This retraction must be to disguise the fact that he lost then - or to cover up the fact that he regarded the debate as bound to be a win whatever happened.
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Re: Atheist doom and gloom merchants proved wrong.

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:58 am

Brian Jordan wrote:
AiG wrote:The recent global media coverage of the Ark project and the soon-to-be-released film “Noah” starring Russell Crowe, plus Ham’s well-publicized February 4 debate with Bill Nye “The Science Guy” (over 7 million people watched live), have all helped bring the Ark Encounter to the world’s attention.
Thank you Bill Nye - the doomsayers were right: you should never have done it.


For what it is worth, Nye may still get the last laugh. The Ark Encounter projet is financially a very high risk endevour because it is largely financed by debt. Scam's "museum" was wholly funded without any debt.
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Re: Atheist doom and gloom merchants proved wrong.

Postby cathy » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:39 am

An irrelevant query here - why is Ham unhappy with the new Russell Crowe version of Noah. The trailers I've seen look right up Ham's street. Big ark, drowning sinners etc, booming overacting in the style of the old biblical masterpieces. I'm looking forward to it in. Crowe is a good actor and he does the big CGI overacting epics brilliantly (remember the brilliance of Gladiator). Is it because Emma Watson was Hermoine Grainger in the HP films and probably isn't the best actress in the world.

As for ham's ark, I don't think I ever doubted he'd get the money. The folk that follow him are stupid enough to bankrupt themselves to help. I don't think the Nye debate helped him tho. The hardliners were always going to stump up the cash and tho that might have been some sort of catalyst for them if it hadn't happened Ham would have manufactured something else to draw them. An abortion bill or something, he's perfectly capable of dragging things out of his bum when the chips are down. The moderates were possibly lost to him by the debate - but I doubt they'd have stumped up much anyway.

He will build it and they will come. Whether they'll come in sufficient numbers is another thing. I think things like the recent tablet saying it was more of a large round coracle should be used to taunt him. Along with asking where he would put the various 'kinds' and asking would there be a calculation on how fast speciation would have had to occur to get from that to what we have now?
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Re: Atheist doom and gloom merchants proved wrong.

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:40 am



It still isn't clear what Scam has done to complete funding of the Ark Encounter. As far as I can make out, the shortfall in sale of bonds as been made up by AiG buying some of them. Where Scam got the money to do so is, again, not known. Either AiG itself borrowed money to do so or its supporters made substantial donations to it. It remains possible that Scam has, in effect, mortgaged his existing creation museum crapola to raise the additional finance. If so, he is taking very big risks with his entire empire.
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