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Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:14 am

Seems like Ken Ham's new pal, Micahel Peroutka, is even more extreme than I thought. Peroutka is the businessman and wanabee US politician who donated a dinosaur skeleton to Ken Ham's "Creation Museum". The fossile is estimated to be worth around $1-$2 million.

It seems that Peroutka doesn't beleive in democracy; he's advocating the formation of a totalitarian theocracy and terrorism and violence to achieve it. No different, of course to IS in Syria/Iraq except thar Peroutka is also a complete racist as well. (Birds of a feather schreeching to the same tune, again.)

A good analysis of what he and his pals stand for can be seen at http://www.salon.com/2014/08/16/gops_po ... _dividers/ and http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthro ... the-south/

Ham clearly has a very nasty, dangerous and highly politicised pal helping him. One wonders precisely who else Ham has got help from, particularly towards the financing of his "Ark Encounter".
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Peter Henderson » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:38 pm

One wonders precisely who else Ham has got help from, particularly towards the financing of his "Ark Encounter".


Al Mohler appears to be very influential in backing Answers in Genesis Roger.

You may remember that Mohler attempted to have Bill Dembski expelled from the SBC because he (Dembski) accepted "millions of years". Mohler comes over as a rather nasty character in all of this.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:10 pm

Peter Henderson wrote:
One wonders precisely who else Ham has got help from, particularly towards the financing of his "Ark Encounter".


Al Mohler appears to be very influential in backing Answers in Genesis Roger.

You may remember that Mohler attempted to have Bill Dembski expelled from the SBC because he (Dembski) accepted "millions of years". Mohler comes over as a rather nasty character in all of this.


Well, Scam;s latest scam could get him into trouble. The Ark Encounter is, legally, a for profit commercial venture, not a ministry. Scam is attempting to recruit only Christians he approves of to work for Ark Encounter. Alas for Scam the law in the USA bans such religious diiscrimination so he's come up with the scam of recruiting through Answes in Genesis, a not for profot ministry which is exempt from anti-discrimination laws.

So the local population who are "funding" Scam's tax breaks can't even get a job cleaning out the bogs unless they take Scam's religious position, (Why anyone would want to surround themselves with Ark Encounter's shit is another matter.)

Edit: it's suddenly occured to me that the Ark Encounter's substantial tax breaks will be illegal if, as it appears, Scam is breaking the law on recruitment.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:44 pm

Is Peroutka advocating that people of other faiths be told to 'convert' or be brutally wiped out?
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Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:56 pm

These Islamic State savages are sick, pure evil, and a threat to civilisation.

Unless I had good reason I would never try to lump any lying young earth creationist with such crazed and vengeful fundamentalist barbarians.

Basically the only good member of Islamic State is a dead one, sadly.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:03 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:Is Peroutka advocating that people of other faiths be told to 'convert' or be brutally wiped out?


Insofar as his extreme righ wing pals are advocating terrorism and the formation of a theocratic dictatorship, it, indeed, does appear to be the case. However, the dog whistle in their position is that they don't want black people to have power. People can't change the colour of their skin so it's actially worse than the case of ISIS.

Edit: more on Micahel Peroutka and his pals: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthro ... premacist/
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Brian Jordan » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:03 pm

Roger Stanyard wrote:So the local population who are "funding" Scam's tax breaks can't even get a job cleaning out the bogs
Please... "as Dinosaur Cleansers"!
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby cathy » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:19 pm

These Islamic State savages are sick, pure evil, and a threat to civilisation.

Unless I had good reason I would never try to lump any lying young earth creationist with such crazed and vengeful fundamentalist barbarians.

Basically the only good member of Islamic State is a dead one, sadly.

Anyone that can behead an innocent unarmed person is beyond humanity. There is nothing you can say to compare any of them with humanity either.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:13 am

Roger Stanyard wrote:
a_haworthroberts wrote:Is Peroutka advocating that people of other faiths be told to 'convert' or be brutally wiped out?


Insofar as his extreme righ wing pals are advocating terrorism and the formation of a theocratic dictatorship, it, indeed, does appear to be the case. However, the dog whistle in their position is that they don't want black people to have power. People can't change the colour of their skin so it's actially worse than the case of ISIS.

Edit: more on Micahel Peroutka and his pals: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthro ... premacist/


It gets worse:

"Founder of the young Earth Creation Museum Ken Ham accepted the donation of a dinosaur from Michael Peroutka’s foundation in May 2014. Now Ham is going to headline an event with Peroutka and David Whitney and put on by Peroutka’s Institute on the Constitution.

Peroutka is a member and former board member of the League of the South; Whitney is the chaplain of the Virginia/MD chapter of the League. The League of the South advocates for the Southern states to secede to form a homeland whites of European heritage. Peroutka has pledged the resources of the IOTC to the work of the League, and Peroutka defended the League as a Christian group."

See http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthro ... ockmorton/

The League of the South is also now reported to be setting up its own "militia" (read terrorist paramilitary organisation). This is a report from the Southern Poverty Law Center:

After years of rhetoric threatening violence, the neo-Confederate League of the South (LOS) is training a uniformed, paramilitary unit tasked with advancing a second southern secession by any means necessary, Hatewatch has learned.

According to anonymous sources from within the LOS, as well as leaked internal communications, the LOS secret unit has been dubbed “The Indomitables”and appears to be stacked with white supremacists, former Klan members and neo-Nazis.

Michael Hill, in a note offered to encourage his Indomitables, said, “We desire that our women and children be warm and snug while the world outside rages. And as our due for that we must face the world.”

The Indomitables were conceptualized at the LOS national meeting earlier this year and appear to be coming online quickly, with Floyd Eric Meadows, 43, of Rome, Ga., who also goes by Eric Thorvaldsson online, in charge of “training,”according to sources within the group and internal documents.

A veteran of both the U.S. Army and Navy with 12 years of service, Meadows has been an active LOS member for several years, and his personal Facebook account is filled with pagan iconography and photos of his weapons. He posts often about ‘earning’his red bootlaces––awarded in skinhead culture for drawing blood for ‘the movement’—and his desire to throw boot parties for enemies of the LOS. Meadows also has posted pictures of himself standing with assault rifles in front of a confederate flag and has frequently quoted Robert Barnwell Rhett, a South Carolina statesman who was dubbed the “Father of Secession”for his efforts leading up to the Civil War.

Post from Eric Meadows.
Post from Eric Meadows.
Telephone messages regarding the Indomitables were left with Hill and the LOS this week, specifically to ask how and where the League hopes to use the unit, and to what end. They were not returned. But within a day of those message being left, Hill addressed the question on the LOS blog.

“Even if we are –– and you really have no idea on earth if we are or not ––setting up a Southern militia or some other form of paramilitary organization, we are doing nothing that free men have not done for centuries. Deal with it and stop your whining,”Hill wrote.

Unfortunately for Hill, we do have an idea. Internal Facebook posts leaked to Hatewatch show that Hill is well aware of progress in forming his militia, which he refers to by name.

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The formation of the Indomitables comes after years of escalating and violent rhetoric from the League, as well as a search for more ideologically extreme white nationalists to enliven their membership –– a pattern that has been ongoing since 2007, when the LOS national conference was titled “Southern Secession: Antidote to Empire and Tyranny.” Just this week, for example, blogger Spelunker published a detailed profile of LOS member Abe Monroe, who attended a rally with LOSers last November and who just posted to Facebook pictures of the words “White Power”in block letters tattooed with a swastika across his back. While Monroe is a minor player, he is representative of that new type of southern nationalist the League now seeks.

[b][b]That is especially true if one takes to heart Hill’s own words, which show an increasing extremism. In an essay published last month on the LOS website, Hill argued that the Second Amendment extends to “weapons systems,” touted guerrilla warfare applications and listed “primary targets”as the fight for a second secession continues.

“The primary targets will not be enemy soldiers; instead, they will be political leaders, members of the hostile media, cultural icons, bureaucrats, and other of the managerial elite without whom the engines of tyranny don’t run,”Hill wrote. He concluded the essay by quoting Psalms: “Blessed be the Lord my strength who teaches my hands to war and my fingers to fight.”
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This isn’t the first time the League has flirted with southern nationalists with a calloused trigger finger, however. Michael Tubbs, a former Green Beret and demolitions expert, and another soldier robbed two fellow soldiers of their M-16 rifles at Fort Bragg, N.C. “This is for the KKK,”the holdup men shouted as they fled. Tubbs pleaded guilty to theft of government property and conspiracy to transport guns and explosives across state lines after prosecutors later discovered a weapons cache.

Tubbs is now Hill’s chief of staff.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby a_haworthroberts » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:22 pm

These are the key links:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthro ... onference/
https://www.facebook.com/Instituteonthe ... =1&theater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_ ... nstitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constituti ... ted_States)

Do they mention the Institute on the Constitution on the Answers in Genesis website? No they DON'T (as far as I can see). Mr Ham appears to wish to hide his links to far right politicians.
https://answersingenesis.org/outreach/event/Severn14/
Though he did refer to the Elizabeth Streb Peroutka Foundation previously:
https://answersingenesis.org/ministry-n ... ted-today/
(Details are available here: http://non-profit-organizations.findthe ... dation-Inc)
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Roger Stanyard » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:58 am

a_haworthroberts wrote:These are the key links:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthro ... onference/
https://www.facebook.com/Instituteonthe ... =1&theater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_ ... nstitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constituti ... ted_States)

Do they mention the Institute on the Constitution on the Answers in Genesis website? No they DON'T (as far as I can see). Mr Ham appears to wish to hide his links to far right politicians.
https://answersingenesis.org/outreach/event/Severn14/
Though he did refer to the Elizabeth Streb Peroutka Foundation previously:
https://answersingenesis.org/ministry-n ... ted-today/
(Details are available here: http://non-profit-organizations.findthe ... dation-Inc)


Ham's problem isn't going to o away. He's accepted a gift worth £1.5 million from a man promoting treason and terrorism, a man who is clearly a racist and neo-nazi. Peroutka is a budding politician and did not give away this "gift" out of the kindness of his heart. It is meant to push his violent, undemocratic and theocratic cause.

One also wonders where some of the money for the Ark Encounter came from.

I also suspect that the security services in the UK need to be keeping an eye on Ham as and when he visits Northern Ireland.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Peter Henderson » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:08 am

and when he visits Northern Ireland.


?????????????????????????

No Northern Ireland trip this time, just the UK mega conference with Ray Comfort, John McKay, and Paul Garner etc. which I think was last week (anyone here attend ?)

I'm not really sure why Northern Ireland should be a problem re. Ken Ham.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby Peter Henderson » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:03 pm

Mr Ham appears to wish to hide his links to far right politicians.


I was watching Revelation TV's creation hour on Saturday Ashley and Ham actually accused Obama of being responsible for the deaths of 55 million children (more than the Nazis apparently). This is presumably in relation to abortion etc. in the US.

Ed Brayton also mentioned the conference and Ham in his blog today:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/ ... onference/
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby a_haworthroberts » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:11 pm

People like Ham appear to be more concerned about deaths of unborn children than about deaths of born children.
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Re: Michael Peroutka and Ken Ham

Postby cathy » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:44 pm

Sadly it's not just the loonies of the religious right that talk out of their arses tho :(

Arch atheist and all found sexist idiot Dawkins is getting there slowly. Hers his latest

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... s-bad-name

So how long before he's calling for women to stay at home or perhaps only venture out accompanied by men and perhaps clothed in burkhas to avoid rape.

Honestly the whole world is going mad and it's not just 'religion' that's an excuse for misogyny :(

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